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Re: COOKS AC36 use or New woodmizer lt35
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2019, 12:47:29 PM »
Iam not going too compare the Apple too the orange. Who's boots are shinner!
But the two Mills your looking at are like 10 yard dump truck  too a one ton truck. how much dirt you wanna haul all day.
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Re: COOKS AC36 use or New woodmizer lt35
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2019, 01:59:48 PM »
I agree Red Beard. 
I guess the question is do I won't a older big dump dump truck or a small new one?

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Re: COOKS AC36 use or New woodmizer lt35
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2019, 02:15:21 PM »
How far away is your closest dealer?  
    For WM Jim Whitley and crew in Albermarle NC are 168 miles from Roanoke Va and Marty Parsons and team (Actual dealer for VA) are 268 miles away according to my range finder/GPS search. Both are real fine folks to deal with.
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Re: COOKS AC36 use or New woodmizer lt35
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2019, 05:26:50 PM »
If you want to be stationary and cut a lot of lumber the cook may be the better option with the diesel engine. LT35 would be easier to handle if you are mobile. I think that you would have to have a LT40 super or larger to compete in quantity sawed with the cook.   Some think that the 4 post is superior design. I not had any issue with my LT40HG25 has long has the blades are sharp and mill is maintained. Any mill out there will cut good lumber if properly taken care of

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Re: COOKS AC36 use or New woodmizer lt35
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2019, 06:48:49 PM »
Hydraulics speed is another factor to consider.  The WM LT35 doesn't set speed records with the hydraulics.  I do not know about the Cook's.  You should look at both.  This is an improvement I'd like to make on the LT35.  Jumping to the LT40 Super is a big jump in price for the speedier hydraulics.

I really like my LT35 but a drag back would be an asset if you work alone.  A drag back isn't an option on the LT35.  I work alone a lot. Again, the next model up is a big price leap for drag back.

You mentioned large timber.  A 32" diameter log is a big log but that's the published max log size for the LT35.  I've managed 36" diameter by doing a good bit of "whittling."  Comparing diameter capacity of the two sawmills relative to the log size you need to cut consistently will be important.

Wood Mizer is the industry leader for several reasons, one is they build a high quality product. I'm sure Cook's builds an excellent product but I have no direct experience.u
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Re: COOKS AC36 use or New woodmizer lt35
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2019, 07:06:01 PM »
Ronwood raised a valid point about volume you want to produce in an hour on average.

I bought the LT40 hydraulic with the intent of hobby sawing for me BUT have upgraded it to be pretty much a Super to get the productivity I am satisfied with for the custom sawing that has become my lot.

IF you are going to be doing a LOT of milling by yourself the trapezoid bed and single mast head design outperform the 4 post design to the extent that the mills are not even in the same class.

I can consistently cut 300+BF per hour all alone but I have to bust my butt. You will be hard pressed with LT35 & LT40 hydraulic to do that. I don't think the Cooks will reach 300BF an hour average without a good helper.

The over all ergonomics and quality of a Woodmizer is without rival based on hands on experience of working with 5 different mills before I bought my mill AND just shy of 2000 hours sawing time on my mill with no major repairs outside of normal wear on belts, the blade guide bearings and brushes for the electric motors, and that has been minimal at the worst. 

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To be in the same class as the AC 36 you would need to be comparing it to the Woodmizer LT40 Super or the LT50. This factor alone should tell you the value factor for your dollar.           
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Re: COOKS AC36 use or New woodmizer lt35
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2019, 07:14:57 PM »
Speed is a big factor to me. I just sold my Timberking B16. Because I'd didn't have the patience for the electric head lift. 

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Re: COOKS AC36 use or New woodmizer lt35
« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2019, 07:58:42 PM »
If you are after speed, then look at a Super 70, but don't blink or you will miss something.   :D
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« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2019, 08:07:43 PM »
 :D :D  What is your location. Southside ?

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« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2019, 09:22:27 PM »
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Re: COOKS AC36 use or New woodmizer lt35
« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2019, 12:19:18 PM »
After thorough review of the AC36 specs on the Cooks web site, you would need to be comparing that mill with a LT50 at the very least to get an idea of comparative value.   
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Re: COOKS AC36 use or New woodmizer lt35
« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2019, 02:35:57 PM »
Thanks Bandmill Bandit. I can get the Cooks for less than the price of a new lt35. It is used but A friend of mine bought it new and it has been well kept. The down side is it is 13 years old with 700 hours. 

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Re: COOKS AC36 use or New woodmizer lt35
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2019, 02:49:17 PM »

I would look at features of both mills to value. A diesel motor in my mind is better than as gas one and I believe most people will agree.

WM and Cooks are both very good machines, if your not handy around equipment I would suggest get the WM since there is a lot more dealers around to help support you. If you are mechanically inclined I think the Cooks is a better option for you.

From my option the Cooks is a solid heavy built machine that is good for portable and stationary work. WM is a good light weight machine that has a great support system. I prefer the Cooks hydraulics over electric motors of WM. I also prefer the 4 post design over the cantilever design of the WM, 4 post just seems better for longevity. I also think you can get more board feet per hour out of the Cooks than a WM because you stand that the back of the machine the whole time and pull the boards back to you, unlike some WM machines. please note this is my option and I haven't run a WM machine or Cooks machine.
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Re: COOKS AC36 use or New woodmizer lt35
« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2019, 04:13:20 PM »
Board drag back is pretty important when you work alone.  The board foot per hour depends on how nice, and how long the logs are.  My mill can cut 24' logs...but the standard for an AC36 is 21 feet, so lets say you are cutting 20 footers.  To get the 300 board feet you only need to cut 15.   Piece of cake.  Banjo 
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Re: COOKS AC36 use or New woodmizer lt35
« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2019, 04:24:34 PM »

 I'd get the mill that is the most reliable, hardly ever hear of any problems with Cooks mill.  Service that isn't needed is  the best.  Steve
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Re: COOKS AC36 use or New woodmizer lt35
« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2019, 06:03:14 PM »
700 hrs is not very many hours for a sawmill. 
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Re: COOKS AC36 use or New woodmizer lt35
« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2019, 06:11:52 PM »
The down side is it is 13 years old with 700 hours.
I fail to see the "down side".
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Re: COOKS AC36 use or New woodmizer lt35
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2019, 08:31:39 PM »
The only real potential down side on a 13 year old 700 ish hour machine would be dryed out seals and some possible upper cylinder/valve train rust/corrosion. Could be a factor on the roller guides too. Neither are deal breakers for me.

And this would have more to do with how long it has been sitting since it last ran and has it been under cover out of the weather?  This would not scare me at all cause Id just pull the top end apart and make sure there are no sticking lifters/rocker arms/valves and make sure the valve seals are all good. Id probably just change those seals cause I had it open and I have to tools to do it. 

I would purge the fuel system and install new fuel filters BEFORE I started it, IF it has been sitting for more than year? Just some preventive maintenance.   

I think I'd lean to the Cooks as well over the LT 35 in this situation BUT if it was a 40 Super in the race it wouldn't even be a contest for me.    
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Re: COOKS AC36 use or New woodmizer lt35
« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2019, 08:38:46 PM »
I would also look closely at the setworks, assuming it has one. Check to see if the system is still supported and if not what is involved in an upgrade. Computers don't last forever, especially in a sawmill environment. 
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Re: COOKS AC36 use or New woodmizer lt35
« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2019, 09:37:26 PM »
   Been watching this and interesting views. I'm impressed with the 24' cut on the Cooks mill. That would be real nice if you are cutting some long headers for barns and other outbuildings. I've cut 20+' headers on my mill and it pretty much maxed out the normal capabilities. If you plan to saw stationary the drag back might be an attractive feature in how you set up your operation. If you plan to saw mobile the WM has some advantages.

   For my mobile milling I love the cantilever design of my mill as I feel it gives me more flexibility to offbear off either side or either end. The twin rail, including WM new ones, do not jump out at me when offbearing comes to mind.

   I sawed head to head with one of WM (Hereby unnamed) major competitors who criticize the cantilever head and it was a good looking mill and sawed good lumber but we shared a loader/helper on a big tractor and the other sawyer told him to put the biggest 17' long hemlock log on my mill as his hydraulics might not handle it. My loading arms never batted an eye when I hit the lifting toggle switch.

  I think both mills you describe are first rate so just compare the features and support features and I am sure you will be happy with your choice which ever one you pick.
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