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Lines in Walnut
« on: January 07, 2019, 01:41:50 AM »
I've seen this on multiple occasions sawing Walnut.  These lines that appear like Ray lines in oak, but there doesn't appear to be solid fleck like in oak.  You can see there is a pattern or change of direction of the grain.  Are these rays or perhaps curl in the grain?


 
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Re: Lines in Walnut
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2019, 03:29:14 AM »
I see it, but not sure what to call it.  Maybe Gene Wengert could chime in.  I have a finished slab of walnut along side some maple with lots of "rays".  It really adds to the interest of an already beautiful wood.



 




 


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Re: Lines in Walnut
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2019, 06:29:49 AM »
I see it. Docs pic is definitely curl, so doc has curly walnut. Have seen and had quite a bit of it. It brings more $$ than plain walnut without much trouble to the right buyer. Brads pic is a bit harder to see, but it also looks to be curl, just not as tight and more isolated. A splash of water on there may show it a bit better...
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Re: Lines in Walnut
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2019, 07:58:09 AM »
There will be a sorta purple line (layer) between the dark heartwood and white sapwood.  Sometime it will be very distinct and sometime not, but it will be there.
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Re: Lines in Walnut
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2019, 07:59:16 AM »
Yes, curl.  Not rays.  The rays in walnut are very small.
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Re: Lines in Walnut
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2019, 08:04:57 AM »
Yes, it appears to be curly walnut to me, as well.  
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Re: Lines in Walnut
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2019, 08:20:27 AM »
In my experience curly walnut is rare and only a few poor examples have I sawn.

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Re: Lines in Walnut
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2019, 12:49:25 PM »
Is there something in particular that causes curl?

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Re: Lines in Walnut
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2019, 01:22:05 PM »
If the bole of the tree in the woods, is suddenly exposed to sun light is can sucker. As the forest heals and blocks the sun light , the suckers die but this has changed the grain pattern. Not all trees do this . This is called epicormick branching or burling.  Common in maples. [pitch pine does this also]

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Re: Lines in Walnut
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2019, 06:04:21 PM »
I could be curl.  My boards are rough sawn on the bandsaw.  Once planed, it would be easy to tell if it's just curl.  I've had a lot of walnut with mild curl, that is, it's faint, and then walnut with curl in specific areas.  It is sweet though when you come across one that is heavily curled.  I've got some brace stock pieces with heavy curl.
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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2019, 06:13:32 PM »
Well. lets go Brad, get it planed and lets see it!!! 8)

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Re: Lines in Walnut
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2019, 08:36:53 AM »
I believe curl is a distortion of the cambium.  What causes it?  Who knows. 
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Re: Lines in Walnut
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2019, 09:17:11 AM »
I found two words in @moodnacreek 's post interesting:  "bole" and "notches".  I learn something every day. Thanks for the post. 

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Re: Lines in Walnut
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2019, 01:21:23 PM »
Sixacresand, My post about the figuring of walnut is what I think causes it, not 100 percent sure. Sawing buy the notches is a yankee term because the lane [and other new England sawmills] had an indexing system notched in the setworks wheel. When I got a Lane the oldtimers would say: now your sawen by the notches!        Lane once made a Dixie special sawmill that had belt feed and side operating dogs as opposed to the friction feed and screw dogs wanted in the northeast.  Thanks for the complement, Doug

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Re: Lines in Walnut
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2019, 07:44:21 PM »
I've always thought curl was a result of compression. Whatever causes it, it is for sure pretty

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Re: Lines in Walnut
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2019, 09:53:50 PM »
The cambium makes wood on the inside and bark on the outside.  Curl is where the cambium puts down wood on the inside where the longitudinal alignment of the cells is squirrely.  This change in longitudinal alignment of the wood cells is what your eye sees as curl. 
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Re: Lines in Walnut
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2019, 11:08:11 PM »
Sure makes pretty turkey pot calls :)

Not that rare in walnut, find a good bit of it.





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Re: Lines in Walnut
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2019, 01:05:22 PM »
Getting fiqured  wood from the stump or crotch is normal and great for small stuff. Getting full length [8' +] is what is wanted and rare. Bird's eye walnut trees exist somewhere.

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Re: Lines in Walnut
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2019, 08:25:33 PM »
In my experience curly walnut is rare and only a few poor examples have I sawn.


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Re: Lines in Walnut
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2019, 09:01:01 PM »
That is a beautiful piece of Walnut would like to have a truck load of that.

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Re: Lines in Walnut
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2019, 12:08:52 AM »
Based on the grain pattern and what looks to be stress gaps, I would say nothing you can do.

Appreciate the distance between, dial it in to be consistent and enjoy those marks. Kind of like the worm holes that make us giddy when we get down to that layer !
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Re: Lines in Walnut
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2019, 05:13:20 AM »
Looks like curly to me. It's MUCH more rare in walnut, than maple, but can be similar.
The figure is usually broad and wide, like cherry.

Fiddleback, or tight curl is super-rare. Many many thousands of BF of walnut and I only ever had this once.
It's in my private-reserve stash. Some have asked and I reply, "You can not afford it."  ;D :D

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