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Re: Getting started on the winter logging
« Reply #60 on: February 02, 2019, 05:34:07 AM »
Just got back on the thread.
Watched the whole vid this time.
Stan is an interesting guy and knows his dogs.
I suspect that he is from several thousand miles east and a little south of Alaska tho.
Newf you are an amazing fellow with an incredible work ethic.
Stay safe my friend.
Cant wait for spring to start sawing here, but I do enjoy snowmobiling.
Stan is from Mass.  Left there for Alaska as a young man, he has lots of old videos and was producing videos for the internet before youtube was a thing.  He'd be a hoot to meet and appears very happy which is the key thing for us all.
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Re: Getting started on the winter logging
« Reply #61 on: February 02, 2019, 09:23:24 AM »
Yes he would be a pleasure to meet.
Figured he was from massa 2 *****
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Re: Getting started on the winter logging
« Reply #62 on: February 02, 2019, 09:57:44 AM »
Yeah thats how its pronounced in tennessee.  :D
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Re: Getting started on the winter logging
« Reply #63 on: February 03, 2019, 07:31:09 PM »
 

 Well did a test Zip line setup and sad to say it did not go as planned. 
Problems: rope I use has too much stretch . It's just fishing rope.
Not enough slope in location where I did test . 
Need better zip line pulley 
Sorry no pics at this time . Will try to modify my setup and do another run .

Sorry guys.

It's been cold here but we are getting some logs .

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Re: Getting started on the winter logging
« Reply #64 on: February 04, 2019, 09:49:59 AM »
Good luck Newf! We are all waiting to see how you make out. I would be surprised if you have good success with rope on the high line. There are simple methods for getting this pretensioned by hand with two or more people that we used in swiftwater rescue operations, but you need to start with a good static line or it will keep stretching. One time, when doing a practice exercise, we nearly pulled over the telephone pole we were using for an anchor. Another time, we dragged a fire engine. No pulleys involved.
Be safe out there. OH yeah, that's a nice load of logs you have, especially when one considers that you use mostly hand work to get them.
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Re: Getting started on the winter logging
« Reply #65 on: February 04, 2019, 10:17:55 AM »
Can you switch to cable anchored to a comealong for tensioning?
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Re: Getting started on the winter logging
« Reply #66 on: February 04, 2019, 07:14:12 PM »
Newf, Do you cut on gov land? Or is this all private up there?

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Re: Getting started on the winter logging
« Reply #67 on: February 04, 2019, 07:38:53 PM »
tacks Y
Neuf  posted an answer to this a while back
It is government land, they determined that there was no  merchantable timber and could not issue a cutting permit if there was no timber. So Neuf is harvesting a resource that the government officials have determined doesn't exist.
hope this helps
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Re: Getting started on the winter logging
« Reply #68 on: February 05, 2019, 09:09:57 PM »
Good luck Newf! We are all waiting to see how you make out. I would be surprised if you have good success with rope on the high line. There are simple methods for getting this pretensioned by hand with two or more people that we used in swiftwater rescue operations, but you need to start with a good static line or it will keep stretching. One time, when doing a practice exercise, we nearly pulled over the telephone pole we were using for an anchor. Another time, we dragged a fire engine. No pulleys involved.
Be safe out there. OH yeah, that's a nice load of logs you have, especially when one considers that you use mostly hand work to get them.
This is what I was worried about . The rope is the main issue . It's good rope but it is designed to stretch . It's made for fishing . As the boat rises on the waves the strain on the rope jumps up big time . You have a fifty foot boat rising up so  with maybe ten crab pots hanging on that rope depending on the depth of the water if the rope cannot stretch it will bust like thread . 
I have been looking into high grade no stretch rope but the cost is out of my budget right now .
I am still going to keep working on this idea because I know there is something there . They do it big scale on the west coast , there is no reason , other than finding out what works that we cannot scale it down for the east coast .
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Re: Getting started on the winter logging
« Reply #69 on: February 05, 2019, 09:32:49 PM »
I am looking at the logs you are working, much like mine, but lighter (I have hardwood) and am thinking that 1/4 steel cable should work pretty well. Any chance you can scrounge some up? Old winch cable should work.
 AT some point I will try this, just looking for the blocks I need.
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Re: Getting started on the winter logging
« Reply #70 on: February 06, 2019, 05:57:18 AM »
For me cable is not the answer I think . It should work but the weight and working with it by hand is not where I want to go.

The answer , I think , lies in these new no stretch ,super light and strong ropes. The problem so far for me is the cost . Going to keep looking and I'm sure something will turn up . 




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« Reply #71 on: February 06, 2019, 07:14:14 AM »
Yeah, I get it Newf. I think what you are looking for is something like Phillystran, which is a synthetic rope that behaves like cable. It it used in a variety of marine, commercial, and radio applications (antenna towers). It is pricey though. Several of my buddies have used it on their towers, but they have deeper pockets than I. Check around the utility companies, maybe you will get lucky.
 The reason I said 1/4 cable is because I have done a bunch of rope rigging and know you will need some hefty stuff to get the tension you will need, even in a static line, you are looking at 5/8 line or so. This is very bulky and gets heavy, especially covered in snow and ice. Cable is not a lot of fun to work with in the beginning, but once you figure it out and pre-make your end loops with double saddle clamps, it can actually go pretty easy, plus it packs smaller and is less subject to weather changes. The blocks should be smaller too. Setting the backline might take a bit more thinking, but once it is in, you are set. Keep looking, you will find something.
 I took some trees back in May-June that were on a 60 degree slope, big stuff and I am still kicking myself for not setting up a line to get them down. Very rough working at that angle and I just cut them into 6' logs and rolled them down. It may sound easy, which is what I thought at the time, but man THAT was work! Next time I will know better. f nothing else, it will make for some good photos for the FF, right?
 Have fun and be safe out there.
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Re: Getting started on the winter logging
« Reply #72 on: February 06, 2019, 07:28:10 AM »
I would look at amsteel and the cheaper clones that are sold as winch line.  Very low stretch and they pull jeeps up vertical ledges.  

How long do you need?

"Ranger" and "X-bull" look like two of the cheapest im seeing right now.  100ft of 3/8 is around $90 and in the 20-23k pound rating.  
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Re: Getting started on the winter logging
« Reply #73 on: February 06, 2019, 09:48:33 AM »
We've used old telephone post ''guy'' cable. Very low stretch. Very stiff, does not bend around like a winch cable. Here is a company that is specialized in used electric materiel where you might find something : https://www.papineaumetal.ca/quincaillerie/

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« Reply #74 on: February 06, 2019, 04:54:18 PM »
The guy who worked with me at the condo repair contract I had.
Would set up a rope skyline and I would pull heavy loads up to him 3 stories up.
200+lbs the rope would stretch very little and it was 3/8.
He came from timber framing and used these ropes and straps for lifting frames.
We could set a system up in less than 10 minutes .
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Re: Getting started on the winter logging
« Reply #75 on: February 06, 2019, 06:50:47 PM »
remember guys, Where the Quebecnewf lives is beyound civilization, no local utility company, no roads to the next town, except in the village and I doubt they are paved.
What we find and have acess to, we take for granted. 
My daughter lives 3 hrs west of the end of the hwy (Sept Isle) and then its still a journey.  She talks about people coming to her town in the winter by snowmobile, 2 day journeys for some, to shop. They can't get there in the summer except by boat. 
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« Reply #76 on: February 06, 2019, 08:04:00 PM »
I don't know as I'd be comfortable with a log of any significant size on all but the stoutest of ropes used s a zipline. When pulled tight enough to minimize sag, supporting a load puts a tremendous strain on a cable or rope.

A 2 foot sag under a load in the middle of a 100 ft run is causing a strain on the cable of 25 times the weight of the load supported (a 200# load would be 5000# kg strain in the cable). The more sag you allow, the less the multiplier is for the strain in the cable.
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Re: Getting started on the winter logging
« Reply #77 on: February 07, 2019, 08:16:16 AM »
I would look at amsteel and the cheaper clones that are sold as winch line.  Very low stretch and they pull jeeps up vertical ledges.  

How long do you need?

"Ranger" and "X-bull" look like two of the cheapest im seeing right now.  100ft of 3/8 is around $90 and in the 20-23k pound rating.  
We replaced the steel cable on my #3500 lb utv winch with knock-off similar to amsteel blue winch rope. It solved the spooling issues we encountered with steel, is much lighter, and you could wad it up and stuff it in a bag if needed. I have broken other equipment trying to dislodge stuck leaners, the winch rope has held tough. 
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Re: Getting started on the winter logging
« Reply #78 on: February 14, 2019, 06:41:54 AM »
 

 Sitting out a snowstorm at home today. Can't see any more than 200 ft . Supposed to clear out tonight . 

Logging going good made 500 logs cut yesterday which is good for us at this time of the winter.

Conditions in the woods will be a bit more challenging after this dump of snow .

Winter logging. That's how it goes

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« Reply #79 on: February 14, 2019, 07:58:17 AM »
Impressive!


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