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« on: January 13, 2019, 07:36:50 PM »
Hi Guys...first time on FF... tks Jeff for info on how to post ....just posting my homemade band saw pics (work in progress)
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2019, 09:07:27 PM »
Welcome to the Forestry Forum, Vautour.  I am seeing some mighty heavy duty fabrication with your build and I will be interesting to follow along. 
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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2019, 02:24:44 AM »
.... Tks MagicMan....will post more pics  in a few weeks as project progress.. working on the raising and lowering of the head at the present
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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2019, 02:40:03 AM »
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Wow!  Nice pipe work!
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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2019, 07:23:58 AM »
All I can offer is encouragement. I am not a builder and if I was,by the looks of things,encouragement would be all that I would still offer!!
That sure does look good. Looks like you have done this a couple times. :D
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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2019, 10:41:17 AM »
Welcome, and I also will be following along. Not only on this build but also on the timber framing after the mill is finished. 
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« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2019, 11:06:25 AM »
Welcome, nice work.

Wondering what the wheels are from? 

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« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2019, 12:25:28 PM »
what do you have for the up and down guides? just steel on steel?

Looks sweet. How many offroad toys have you built?

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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2019, 06:58:47 PM »
 
Crusarius..... I machined some Teflon inserts on my rails... rails are 2 1/2"X1/4"...
 HillTop366... got the wheel at a local scrap yard $50 each... not sure what they were used for??...I'm thinking about putting a 1 1/2"blade!! hopefully i'll get feedback on this.. tks for the comments..much apreciated thumbs-up
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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2019, 07:16:26 PM »
A couple things come to mind on your band wheels. First are they rated for the RPM you need to run them at? Most bands run at 5200 or so FPM for reference, you can reverse engineer your RPM from there.

The second thing I see is that material on the wheels is going to wear causing issues with tracking and tension, but more so when a band breaks and tears into it you will have a problem that can't be fixed in two minutes. 

The build looks great, and I am not a machineist, just my opinion on the wheels from a guy who runs a mill. 
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« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2019, 07:35:21 PM »
I'm not a builder but I too would be concerned about the wheel material holding up.  What will you do when a broken band takes out a chunk of the surface - it will probably happen.  

It appears that they are about 1 3/4" wide and you mentioned trying to run a 1.5" blade.  Remember that there needs to be room for the set of the teeth to clear the wheel, usually by tracking on the forward side of the wheel (1.25" blade on a 1" wide wheel).  

The other concern is that wider blades may be made from thicker stock, .055?  Those wheels appear to be on the small side, maybe 16" diameter.  To get 5200 fpm, they'll need to run at about 2500 rpm.  A 19" diameter wheel only need to run at 2100 rpm.  Not only does a smaller wheel need to run faster, it also means 20% more flex cycles within the same period of time.  Smaller wheel + thicker band stock = significantly reduced band life. 
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« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2019, 07:54:19 PM »
tks for the replies guy.... I will be adding a rubber band over the Teflon so the blade never touches the Teflon.. and the rubber band can be changed just like a V belt... wheel sizes are actually 21"... hopefully that won't be a major problem... thanks again :)
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« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2019, 08:36:50 PM »
If possible I would test run that set up before you build everything around it, a few have tried those orange "band saw tires" and the results have not been good.  Also, when bands break they do so in very creative ways, they will jamb behind wheels, into the covers, out the dust chute, they will cut V belts and even drive belts so just be prepared.
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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2019, 08:42:40 PM »
Are they urethane or rubber?  Pretty tough stuff?  Since you have such a nice lathe able to swing that wheel, I'd suggest cutting a V groove into it (just like a pulley) and mounting up the equivalent of a B57 belt (will depend on the final diameter).  That would give you the crown you need for teeth relief and tracking, and a tough, cheap and easy to replace belt.  The B57 belts fit loose on the WM mills which allows them to throw off any sawdust build up.

Calculate your necessary RPM for your mill and run them up to 20 or 30% over that on your lathe and see if the yellow tread holds up.  Might want to put up a guard around the head! ;)
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« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2019, 11:37:54 PM »
Those wheels being almost 2" wide would accommodate a band 2" wide, maybe even 3". The tooth, including the bottom of the gullet needs to extend out beyond the edge of the wheel.  By time you do that with a 1" blade on these wheels, you will be using well under  the width of your wheel. I'm not sure how well that will work or what problems if any it will cause. Who knows, it may work just fine and when one side of the wheels wear out you could turn them around. If it were me, I'd look into it. 
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« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2019, 07:09:35 AM »
Thanks for the info Vatour, that is going to be a monster when you finish it. What are you planning for cut width / blade length?

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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2019, 04:18:19 AM »
            Hi Guys.... Posted last night but didn't go thru?...Southside..  I will spin theses wheel on the lathe again at a higher speed  ..Safety is priority..    Ljohnsaw..they are a tough glued on urethane so im pretty confident they will hold!! had though about doing the V belt thing but cutting the V grove would have cut the urethane in two pieces and weaken up the Teflon.....Darrel.. if I can.. 2"would be great which means I could cut faster right??..it all depends on the width of the rubber bands I will on the install over the Teflon...(auto.serpentine belt) perhaps!!...Crusarius  I've got 51" between the rails and blade length is just under 18' .. losta 4 feet dia. trees aroud here.. thumbs-up 
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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2019, 10:04:04 AM »
Sweet. would love to make a road trip up that way and see this thing some day.

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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2019, 10:34:51 AM »
There are advantages to wider bands for sure, speed is one and less tendency for wandering being another.  Cost, however, is not an advantage. If you are going to be into high production than go wide and a bit thicker, say .065" - .070". Heck, you might even be able to do something a bit radical and get a 3" wide band with teeth on both sides and cut going both ways. From your pictures it looks like you have the skills needed to pull something like that off. 
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« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2019, 02:46:20 AM »
 
Crusarius      I belive you did ask me about my off road toys??.. here's my First gen. Cummins project I'm working on (next winter's project)..saw mill got priority....Darrel... tks for the info... on my 21'' wheel I think the best thickness would be around .045".. as far as I've read... gonna check out prices on 2" and 2.5" blades soon.... now as far as a double side toothed blade..hmmm headscratch
 

 

 

 

 

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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2019, 07:10:15 AM »
I gotta say that's a heavy duty Judy .I don't think anything is going to bend .Lookin good . ;D

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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2019, 10:08:09 AM »
aha. I knew by the cage work on the mill you had to have something :)

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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2019, 10:19:00 AM »
I like the idea of a double cut mill, always have, has anyone seen how the boards are removed from a horizontal double cut mill?  
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« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2019, 10:24:05 AM »
I was very intrigued with the idea but was trying to figure out a way to do it with 2 blades. Wasn't really working out in my head so I gave up.

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« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2019, 10:38:27 AM »
I like the idea of a double cut mill, always have, has anyone seen how the boards are removed from a horizontal double cut mill?  
I would say like you normally do with a manual mill, to the side.  Or, use a drag back that takes two boards at the same time.  i.e. cut forward, drop, cut backward bringing first board back, drop cut forward, drop, cut backward bringing two boards back...
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« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2019, 03:47:47 PM »
The issue I see with the drag back is if the boards are a different thickness then you are  going to hang on the one you are back cutting if it is a thicker cut than the foward cut.  To the side defeats the purpose of cutting both ways I would think.  Maybe that's why double cuts are usually angled to the side with a take away conveyor.  
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« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2019, 04:53:53 PM »
In regards to the urethane ,it is really tough stuff .We used them for traction rollers to move cast iron blocks for large v8 engine blocks at one time on roller conveyers in an automobile engine plant and they held up very well .Fact I used 4" rollers on a DIY seam former for standing seam roofing .

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 Hi guys...i'm in the process of building my band guide wheels and wondering what size bearings i should use?... guild wheels are 2.5".. i have bearings with a 5/8 inside bore but could go bigger.. maybe at lest 3/4" ID...not sure what most manufactures use??... tks
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« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2019, 08:12:37 PM »
i will go dig through my parts bin and check but I think mine are 6202s  with 2 in each roller. There is a double race version that works better in my opinion but doesn't work well if you want to make them greaseble   
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i will go dig through my parts bin and check but I think mine are 6202s  with 2 in each roller. There is a double race version that works better in my opinion but doesn't work well if you want to make them greaseble  


.. tks Bandit... was checking what size 6202s are and seems to be 15mm or 5/8''... so since i had bigger rollers i bought the 6203s which are 3/4''...not sure how greaseble bearing work but looking at videos of cooks and think the two bearing are squezzed together and grease is pumped on both sides to catch the saw dust... i think :-\  
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« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2019, 09:36:03 AM »
6203 s is what mine are. 

To make them greaseable you take out 2 of the seals and then install the bearing so that the missing seals are in the center of the roller seperated either by a spacer OR with the roller machined with a shoulder rim that the bearings seat against when installed from either side of the roller. drill the bolt to the proper depth and drill a small hole (1/8th is lots) through the the bolt to T to the horizontal hole and you got a grease able roller. 

grease in that location CAN be a more of a problem then a solution as over grease will wreck the seals and allow sawdust to get in the bearing. OVER GREASED bearing are a far more costly issue then permanently sealed HIGH GRADE bearings hands down.         
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« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2019, 02:40:24 PM »
   

just finished turning my roller guides....@Bandit... that's what i was thinking of doing.. but you must have small hole in the spacer for the grease to go thru... i was also thinking about making small holes (seep holes)on the outside of the rubber seals as you grease you will release some pressure and add grease on both sides of the bearing assembly and with washers on both sides to hold the used grease there to captivate the saw dust...hmmm 
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« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2019, 02:45:27 PM »
I am wondering how any metal that is soft enough to turn will be hard enough to serve as blade guides?
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@ Magicman was thinking about that too.... gonna check my machinist friend about that... tks for bringing it up..  :)
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« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2019, 04:40:32 PM »
There is a product called case nite that you can use to harden the OD of your rollers. Its a powder and you heat the steel then dip it in the powder. It works

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« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2019, 06:15:46 PM »
I would stick with sealed bearings and be done with it. Most cars on the road have sealed bearings and have very little issues with quite a few more miles on them.

as for hard enough. anything will wear out they may just wear out a little sooner. I would not be overly concerned. you can always buy a set of rollers only.

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« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2019, 08:52:01 PM »
Case hardening works well in a lot of applications and is not real difficult to do. The secret is getting the rollers to right temp EVENLY. can be done with a rosebud heating tip on a torch or a small forge. 

As for bearings, the best you can get in SKF or NTN are my go to bearings and what I keep in my parts box.

I may be possible to get 2 double row bearing in those rollers. NOT that you'd really need that but the mill may wear out before those bearings would if you did it that way. They definitely would not over heat easily.   
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Re: band saw mill project
« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2019, 09:47:38 PM »
Nice mill project you're building. Just found your thread here and will be following it. I'm just an hour south of you.
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Re: band saw mill project
« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2019, 05:26:47 PM »
.... @ millwright... tks for info .. gonna check for that product "case nite"..and try that out...                                                                                                  .....@ Crusarius... just regular steel ...while i'm in the middle of building them ..not a big job to make them greasable... if the big guys in the industries are doing it on there high end mills there's got to be a reason... so i'm kinda leaning in that directions...                                                                                           .....@Bandit....tks for info... by the way are your rollers greasable??..                                                                                                                                      .....@RAYMAR....tks..nice to hear from another local...was thinking about starting a FORESTRY FORUM  gathering in this part of the world... hard for us eastern Canadian to travel to the US to attend a Pig Roast... maybe a hot dog roast for starts digin1.. just a though..we'll see if there is interest  
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Re: band saw mill project
« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2019, 06:34:37 PM »
Kasenit has not been available for years.  A similar product is Cherry Red or Bownells sells some private label stuff.  None of it gives the deep case blade guides require.

There is a method that infuses carbon into steel by burning something like leather it in a sealed packing box.  Google it for directions.  You also might be able to find somebody that does it commercially.
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« Reply #42 on: March 12, 2019, 10:03:32 PM »
A local get together sounds like a great idea. I have family in the Richibucto / Saint-Charles / Aldouane areas.
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« Reply #43 on: March 12, 2019, 11:43:58 PM »
No Vantour they are not. I switched back to sealled after a one season run of the greasables.
Too messy for my liking in that location. I just use the best possible grade marine type bearing I can get. Initial purchase is more but the longevity far out values that initial purchase.  
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Re: band saw mill project
« Reply #44 on: March 13, 2019, 08:22:41 PM »
....@Larry.... tks for that info..gonna look that up... my friend who heat treats steel all the time says if its mild steel there is not much you can do about it.. it has to be 01 steel... so ill probably leave them as is and make a new set when they wear out.................................... ....................................... ..................   ....@Bandit...tks for that info... was hoping someone with that experience using greasable bearings and switching over to non greasable bearings just made my decison thumbs-up..............................................................................................  ....@ RAYAR ... gonna check with TIMFROM NB .. he's building a timber fram in Shediac area and maybe get somthing going in that area.. i'll keep you posted..    
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« Reply #45 on: March 15, 2019, 11:18:22 AM »
....@ RAYAR ... gonna check with TIMFROM NB .. he's building a timber fram in Shediac area and maybe get somthing going in that area.. i'll keep you posted..    
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Re: band saw mill project
« Reply #46 on: March 30, 2019, 05:28:49 PM »
 
Finally got my blade guides installed
 

 
adjustable 3/8'' x 6'' flat bar... just got flat washers each side of the bearing but got a little play so i'm gonna make small v grove pulleys with my bearings and should help to solidify my adjustable blade guide...   
 
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« Reply #47 on: March 31, 2019, 10:11:58 AM »
Nice, you're making progress on your mill build.
I've got some different projects on the go for mine. The latest one I just started on is a crank type tooth setter. ;) Got some pieces for the body and some for the workings.
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Re: band saw mill project
« Reply #48 on: March 31, 2019, 12:02:45 PM »
Rayar, I be very interested in a build thread on that.

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« Reply #49 on: April 01, 2019, 06:21:37 AM »
Tks RAYAR..... like to see pics of that tooth setter also..will be a future project for me also.. 
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« Reply #50 on: April 01, 2019, 10:36:33 PM »
I just have a few parts gathered up for the tooth setter at the moment and a sketch started.. I'll have to start a thread on it when I start building it.
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« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2019, 07:13:01 AM »
 

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« Reply #52 on: April 15, 2019, 10:24:18 AM »
The setup looks good and while it does sound like its a bit slow, I'm guessing that my old LT40 isn't much faster. 
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« Reply #53 on: April 15, 2019, 12:44:13 PM »
I wouldn't be concerned about the urethane wheels longevity. I have seen rotating urethane coated cylinders outlast steel cylinders in much more demanding environment than your mill will ever experience. there  are also companies that will resurface them but at what cost? As far as your blade guides, make them out of 4140 steel and they can easily be hardened.

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« Reply #54 on: April 15, 2019, 07:16:16 PM »
   @Darrel..was putting that out there to see what average speed is normal  tks .@Luap..hoping those urethane wheels hold also..gonna keep those guild wheels till they wear out and then do them again with proper steel..tks
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« Reply #55 on: April 27, 2019, 05:13:15 PM »
 
got my bandsaw mill motor...04 TOYOTA YARIS 1.5litre...
 

 
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« Reply #56 on: April 27, 2019, 10:05:12 PM »
I was very tempted to use my saturn motor 1.9 twin cam. I was concerned it would not have enough low end torque. be very curious to know how that turns out.

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« Reply #57 on: April 28, 2019, 06:35:16 AM »
.........@ Crusarius...i would Not worried about low end torque..for example this motor has 50hp at probably 2000 rpm... so i'm gonna run it at about 1500rpm with a 6 inch pulley at the crank...motor is bigger than i had anticipated ..i worked in a scap yard and some car had some way smaller lighter motor..  
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« Reply #58 on: April 28, 2019, 08:16:37 PM »
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« Reply #59 on: April 29, 2019, 08:38:01 AM »
Interesting power source,

Found this:



[th]Torque[/th]
105 ft-lbs. @ 4200 rpm
[th]Base Engine Size[/th]
1.5 L
[th]Horsepower[/th]
108 hp @ 6000 rpm

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« Reply #60 on: April 29, 2019, 07:47:55 PM »
@ Woodpecker ... hmm like the name  "the beast"..might work haha.............. ....@Hilltop366...Interesting power source for sure.. 2 hrs to get the motor out...4 hrs to remove dash and remove complete wiring harness...bench testing gonna be real fun i bet :-\..always liked good challenge..haha
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« Reply #61 on: June 05, 2019, 08:25:22 PM »
 
... Since there is a log arch topic.. i just finished mine up
 

 
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« Reply #62 on: June 06, 2019, 02:51:33 AM »
Nice log arch. That's a project I'm planning on doing too.
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