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Re: Block heater or not?
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2019, 08:08:23 PM »
Just make sure you maintain the coolant. Ford tractor blocks are famous for having major cavitation problems when the coolant isn't taken care of,  and some when it is taken care of. That becomes harder to do when your constantly changing coolant with your truck.

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Re: Block heater or not?
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2019, 08:09:57 PM »
Maintain the coolant? Well using new coolant with distilled water should be fine right?

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Re: Block heater or not?
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2019, 08:13:21 PM »
You should be checking the sca levels in the coolant periodically and adding additive if necessary. A proper coolant filer setup with the additives in it like used on later ford tractors is a major plus.

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Re: Block heater or not?
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2019, 08:22:29 PM »
Yes Iíve used filters. Most all semis ived serviced have them. Iím going to work on it the coming weekend. The weather is supposed to be a tad warmer😬

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Re: Block heater or not?
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2019, 08:39:06 PM »
Go to the junkyard and buy a 3 cylinder gas engine out of a Geo or something. Bolt it somewhere on the forwarder and plumb the coolant lines into it. Self contained, no electricity needed pre-heater. :D
That was kind of like the truck drivers did with a little Simca engine .Kept the battery charged and the water warm just idling on about a gallon of gasoline back in the day .15 below zero those old diesels would start right up in the morning . 

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Re: Block heater or not?
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2019, 11:06:40 PM »
Yes Iím thinking a big no no on newer equipment with sensors and computers and newer aluminum heads and other aluminum parts and sensors and computers on newer trucks. But like I said I got a 1970 chev truck. And the mule is old too. All the same antifreeze. But yes ford diesels are prone to cracks and head gaskets n what not. I donít have a ball valve or anything in mine. The couplers restrict the flow enough I figure. Plus hooking them up and putting 180 degree fluid in a -10 degree engine isnít much different than when the thermostat opens n dumps cold antifreeze into the engine. My good friend has a 2014 ford truck with aluminum engine parts and he put quick connects on his and hasnít had a problem. But I wouldnít try it. If I had newer equipment and/or truck Iíd definitely go the espar route or generator block heater route. 

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Re: Block heater or not?
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2019, 11:12:34 PM »
Also not sure if it really matters but my lines go to heater core in the truck come out go to the mule (when hooked up) then back to truck. So itís on the return lines. I just added 2 10 foot pieces of line on the return line of the heater core.

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Re: Block heater or not?
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2019, 09:24:09 AM »
I am skeptical of cracking heads with coolant hookups.  Its not any more abrupt of a temp change than getting the thing started and standing on the throttle while the injection pump is farting all its air out.  Also the nature of fluid flow is to primarily flow down the center of a conduit and not the edges. Basically im saying if you had a 1" pipe and hooked up your coolant hoses, youd measure 180 in the middle and probably closer to 100 at the edges because there is so little fluid movement at the boundary later.  Its a more gradual rise than ya think.  

Sensors on the hot unit not liking the cold stuff i can picture, no experience there.  You can always plumb your equipment with 4 port flat plate heat exchangers to handle coolant mismatch.  There will be no mixing.  
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Re: Block heater or not?
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2019, 09:35:16 AM »
Heat exchanger would be best. Would need a pump on the skidder side, but that could be mounted and run on the truck,  too.
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Re: Block heater or not?
« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2019, 09:56:54 AM »
You can actually mount the exchanger down below the radiator and get it to thermal siphon, no need for a pump.  Maybe not quite as fast but we cant win em all.   
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Re: Block heater or not?
« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2019, 12:32:37 PM »
  The 5000 Iron Mule I had came with spit swappers.  I never used them and plumbed in one of these https://katsblockheater.com/block-heaters/all/circulating-coolant-heater-2000-watt-120-volt   It would warm up the little Perkins in less than hour.  We ran it with a 2500 watt generator.   I like them better than freeze plug heating elements and have had them on other tractors.  I was going to put one on a 3-53 but would have had to do some extra work to plumb it into the head.  So I put the block heater element in it and ran it with the same generator.  Only issue was getting the generator started when it was cold ;) ;D  The 6068 JD in my harvester has a Pro Heat.  I never used the auto timer.  I'd turn it on when I got there in the morning and in an hour or so after other preparations for the day it would start fine.  It's plumbed into the machine's fuel supply.
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Re: Block heater or not?
« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2019, 02:18:24 PM »
I got a circulating block heater in my 440.  at -25 c it needs about 2 hours and then it starts right up.  I start up the gen set, then go do something for a couple of hours and do something, always something to do for a couple hours be for starting it.  I check fluids, grease it, ECT and fall trees.

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Re: Block heater or not?
« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2019, 03:33:17 PM »
Firewoodjoe,
The espar I use is a self contained fuel burner system that heats the coolant. It has its own fuel pump, Furnace,stainless 1" exhaust (I aimed this towards the oil pan) and a control panel for inside the cab.
You have 3 different programs you can set when you leave the machine. I set mine to come on the next morning I plan on being back, if I don't show up, no big deal. The espar will come on and run for two hrs than shut itself off. It burns next to no fuel actually you should run it through a cycle every week even in the summer because the supply line is so fine that stale fuel will plug it up.
I removed the heater off my old machine before trade-in and put it in my 580 case backhoe, all I can say is I wish we had them on equipment 30 years ago.
My present machine is a tier 4 JD with all the electronics, alum. parts and add on the junk they could fit under the cowling, doesn't seem to mind.
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Re: Block heater or not?
« Reply #33 on: January 28, 2019, 06:59:02 PM »
 

 

 Hereís how mine is plumbed in. Hope the pics are good enough. 

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Re: Block heater or not?
« Reply #34 on: January 28, 2019, 07:00:19 PM »
 

 

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Re: Block heater or not?
« Reply #35 on: January 28, 2019, 07:21:53 PM »
Thatís basically what mine is now but those are my heater hoses. I was just going to splis into those. Does your mule have cab heat?

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Re: Block heater or not?
« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2019, 07:22:39 PM »
Well mine donít go to the bottom of the block it goes to the front of the engine.

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« Reply #37 on: January 28, 2019, 07:32:12 PM »
Yes it has cab heat. I have quick connects on those lines to. When I hook it up to the truck I unhook the cab heat. Warm things up. Start the mule n hook cab heat back up. I donít want to circulate warm antifreeze through the cab heat. But you can splice into it and just put a couple valves on so it doesnít go to the cab heater. Either way would work Iím thinking. 
Probably goes to the water pump?

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Re: Block heater or not?
« Reply #38 on: January 28, 2019, 07:43:17 PM »
Yes. That may not work as good. It may be better just in the water jacket. Iíll have to look her over.

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Re: Block heater or not?
« Reply #39 on: January 28, 2019, 07:52:17 PM »
Iím not 100% sure on this but I think mine goes into the block where thereís suppose to be a block drain. It was all there like this when I bought the machine. Look like they removed the drain and put a piece of pipe in its place. The hose is just slid over the pipe n hose clamped though not ideal that way it hasnít leaked a drop yet and Iíve had the machine for over a year. 


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