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Timberjack 240 D: information about to buy the machine
« on: February 04, 2019, 05:02:37 AM »
Hi!
I want to buy this Timberjack 240 D. It should be built in 1987, has a Perkins-engine (6.354).
In Austria we don´t have so much experience with Timberjack skidders and so I ask you to help me in this case. Please tell me if the building year 1987 can be ok and if there are some things on this machine I have to check before I buy it.
If you take a look on the pictures, please tell me if there is something strange with the machine.
Thank you in advance for your help!



 

 

 

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Re: Timberjack 240 D: information about to buy the machine
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2019, 06:33:57 AM »
Welcome to the site.  I don't have this one but several users do and I'm sure you'll get some feedback.

Questions:  Hours?  Do they have maintenance logs/history?  Is the winch working?  Can you try it for a day or two?  

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Re: Timberjack 240 D: information about to buy the machine
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2019, 02:06:36 PM »
Bumping this back up, don't some of you guys have a TJ240?
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Re: Timberjack 240 D: information about to buy the machine
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2019, 02:08:59 PM »
@hawlem Just a hint too regarding the Timberjack.  Loggers just say TJ240.  If you search the site for TJ240 you'll find lots of threads mentioning them.  I don't personally use one but if you send a call out like I did for you the member is more likely to respond.  Ask nicely, people are good on this site.
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Re: Timberjack 240 D: information about to buy the machine
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2019, 06:24:05 AM »
I have a TJ240E, early '80s I think. It is a hobby machine for me, I use it for firewood and trails on my own property. It is a great machine, wide and stable and is more machine than I really need but the price was right and it was close by, I have zero regrets.
Apparently there are parts still readily available, the only parts I have needed were for the gearmatic winch, no problem finding them. Other than that I had to repair a leaking cylinder, but thats just regular stuff. About the only thing I'm not crazy about is the racket from the 453 detroit, but it is good on fuel.
Don't know if any of that helps you, that looks like a nice machine you are looking at, if those are forestry tires they would be worth as much as the machine here!!
The controls in the cab look the same as mine except for the winch controls.
Can't comment on the Perkins engine, but it looks like it has a standard transmission, I like the simplicity of that. Would this be a work machine or hobby?
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Re: Timberjack 240 D: information about to buy the machine
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2019, 06:46:08 AM »
Hawlem, more specific to your questions, that machine looks good in the pics, but more important is the actual condition beneath, are pins and bushings in mid-ship and blade good?
As has been asked, does winch work?  Engine and transmission sound ok? Check all oils for metal/water etc (all planetaries, diffs, transfer case, transmission, winch, hydraulic tank). The only way to know for sure is to use it if you are able to.
The TJ240 in its various editions is/was highly regarded as a very good machine in its day, however these days is not very suitable for commercial production, at least in my part of the world .
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Re: Timberjack 240 D: information about to buy the machine
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2019, 06:58:08 AM »
87 would have been an E or A model irrc.   D is mid 70s    I owned a d model it was build in 77

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Re: Timberjack 240 D: information about to buy the machine
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2019, 09:38:00 AM »
We have a Perkins in a TJ1210B with 15k that’s never given us an issue, heard of some of them going 30 to 40k without being touched.

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Re: Timberjack 240 D: information about to buy the machine
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2019, 05:07:36 PM »
There is probably some official (man/ woman or alphabet soup) from Brussels coming in a year or two to chop a hole in the Timberjack's engine block with an oxy-acetylene torch.

Non-Road mobile machinery emissions | Internal Market, Industry, Entrepreneurship and SMEs     (NRMM)

"The objective
The objective is to progressively reduce the pollutant emissions and to phase out equipment with the most polluting engines."
(Probably a poor google german translation)
Das Ziel
Ziel ist es, die Schadstoffemissionen schrittweise zu reduzieren und die Ausrüstung mit den umweltfreundlichsten Motoren auslaufen zu lassen.

Might need to see if you can put a Stage V engine in the Timberjack.  Lots of DEF with FPT. 
https://www.fptindustrial.com/global/en/Documents/Leaflet_Stage_V_ENG_03-2016_web.pdf

Probably a Stage 2/ Tier 2? engine in the older Kotschenreuther. 

Example of how 'environmental' Europe in places is getting.
e.g Germany
"Low emission zones: All cars - and yes that includes electric cars - driving into a low emission zone (Umweltzone) need a badge (Feinstaubplakette) indicating their pollution category. Badges come in three colors: green, yellow, and red. Signs marking the start of pollution-free zones—typically the central parts of a city—show the colors allowed into the zone. Entering without a badge costs you a FINE if you are caught. If you rent a car, make sure it has a Feinstaubplakette. If you travel in your own car, get your badge for a small fee from:
vehicle registration offices
technical inspection organisations such as TÜV (you can request a badge online) or Dekra"

Germany phasing out the current generation nukes power plants.
Atomic Nightmare: Krümmel Accident Puts Question Mark over Germany's Nuclear Future - SPIEGEL ONLINE   (2009)
The history behind Germany's nuclear phase-out | Clean Energy Wire

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Re: Timberjack 240 D: information about to buy the machine
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2019, 07:17:56 PM »
Theyll be some alphabet soup with an oxy acetylene rig pretty far up their rear end if they come here tryin it.  The brussels sprouts can mind their dang business. 
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Re: Timberjack 240 D: information about to buy the machine
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2019, 07:24:32 PM »
There is probably some official (man/ woman or alphabet soup) from Brussels coming in a year or two to chop a hole in the Timberjack's engine block with an oxy-acetylene torch.

Non-Road mobile machinery emissions | Internal Market, Industry, Entrepreneurship and SMEs     (NRMM)

"The objective
The objective is to progressively reduce the pollutant emissions and to phase out equipment with the most polluting engines."
(Probably a poor google german translation)
Das Ziel
Ziel ist es, die Schadstoffemissionen schrittweise zu reduzieren und die Ausrüstung mit den umweltfreundlichsten Motoren auslaufen zu lassen.

Might need to see if you can put a Stage V engine in the Timberjack.  Lots of DEF with FPT.
https://www.fptindustrial.com/global/en/Documents/Leaflet_Stage_V_ENG_03-2016_web.pdf

Probably a Stage 2/ Tier 2? engine in the older Kotschenreuther.

Example of how 'environmental' Europe in places is getting.
e.g Germany
"Low emission zones: All cars - and yes that includes electric cars - driving into a low emission zone (Umweltzone) need a badge (Feinstaubplakette) indicating their pollution category. Badges come in three colors: green, yellow, and red. Signs marking the start of pollution-free zones—typically the central parts of a city—show the colors allowed into the zone. Entering without a badge costs you a FINE if you are caught. If you rent a car, make sure it has a Feinstaubplakette. If you travel in your own car, get your badge for a small fee from:
vehicle registration offices
technical inspection organisations such as TÜV (you can request a badge online) or Dekra"

Germany phasing out the current generation nukes power plants.
Atomic Nightmare: Krümmel Accident Puts Question Mark over Germany's Nuclear Future - SPIEGEL ONLINE   (2009)
The history behind Germany's nuclear phase-out | Clean Energy Wire
i have heard a little about that here. seems there was or is some grants to up grade to newer engines. the story i read it was for commercial fishing boats

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Re: Timberjack 240 D: information about to buy the machine
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2019, 01:22:21 AM »
Good morning!
Yesterday I have bought this 225A. A nice machine I think. ;-) Younger than the 240D I want at first to buy and in a very good condition with a Deutz-engine. 8) and 8000 working hours.
Are there any problems with this 225A, I mean like weak spots? The axles are stronger than from the older 200-series I think. What I have seen there is no lever on the transfer case / gearbox to swich of the winch. It´s a Timberjack transfercase. Is this not a problem for the winch because I can´t swich of the winch-drive if I´m driving long distances.

So I hope I have bought a good machine! ;-)

 

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Re: Timberjack 240 D: information about to buy the machine
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2019, 09:03:19 AM »
I couldnt tell ya about the winch but congrats on a fine looking machine. 
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Re: Timberjack 240 D: information about to buy the machine
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2019, 09:26:03 AM »
Nice, with chains too!  The Deutz engine is fuel efficient, that is a good thing.  

What sort of logging are you doing?  Not using a forwarder?  
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Re: Timberjack 240 D: information about to buy the machine
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2019, 07:57:09 PM »
Nice Timberjack, that Duetz is a very torquey motor. I had the same machine a few years back and you have the WR5 planetaries which are Eatons and very strong. Still wish I had mine, now its a 240b model with a Cummins. You will be happy with that machine though. Nice find and clean. Good Luck and Welcome.



 



 

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Re: Timberjack 240 D: information about to buy the machine
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2019, 10:51:00 PM »
I would be finding the 3d scanning equipment to datarise all the skidder measurements and finding a few engineers to put a modern engine in the skidder

Look at the dollar value of the perfectly road worthy diesel cars that are being in the scrap heap. Old skidders will be on the collection list somewhere.

In Scotland the logger needed a tier 4 in the forest to operate and the tier 3 was sold.

Deutz and Stage V. What You have to know about it   (should be a compliant diesel on a shelf somewhere)

(EU diesel car pickup)
The diesel disaster | DW Documentary - YouTube  

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Re: Timberjack 240 D: information about to buy the machine
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2019, 01:11:46 AM »
Good morning from Austria!
@ David-L: do you have any problems with your TJ225? The Eaton axles with the WR5 planetaries are better than the "old" Rockwell axles?
My father was working 20 years ago with the same machine and he was very lucky with it, because the engine has a lot of power and he never had problems with the machine.



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Re: Timberjack 240 D: information about to buy the machine
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2019, 03:59:19 AM »
There is probably some official (man/ woman or alphabet soup) from Brussels coming in a year or two to chop a hole in the Timberjack's engine block with an oxy-acetylene torch.

Non-Road mobile machinery emissions | Internal Market, Industry, Entrepreneurship and SMEs     (NRMM)

"The objective
The objective is to progressively reduce the pollutant emissions and to phase out equipment with the most polluting engines."
(Probably a poor google german translation)
Das Ziel
Ziel ist es, die Schadstoffemissionen schrittweise zu reduzieren und die Ausrüstung mit den umweltfreundlichsten Motoren auslaufen zu lassen.

Might need to see if you can put a Stage V engine in the Timberjack.  Lots of DEF with FPT.
https://www.fptindustrial.com/global/en/Documents/Leaflet_Stage_V_ENG_03-2016_web.pdf

Probably a Stage 2/ Tier 2? engine in the older Kotschenreuther.

Example of how 'environmental' Europe in places is getting.
e.g Germany
"Low emission zones: All cars - and yes that includes electric cars - driving into a low emission zone (Umweltzone) need a badge (Feinstaubplakette) indicating their pollution category. Badges come in three colors: green, yellow, and red. Signs marking the start of pollution-free zones—typically the central parts of a city—show the colors allowed into the zone. Entering without a badge costs you a FINE if you are caught. If you rent a car, make sure it has a Feinstaubplakette. If you travel in your own car, get your badge for a small fee from:
vehicle registration offices
technical inspection organisations such as TÜV (you can request a badge online) or Dekra"

Germany phasing out the current generation nukes power plants.
Atomic Nightmare: Krümmel Accident Puts Question Mark over Germany's Nuclear Future - SPIEGEL ONLINE   (2009)
The history behind Germany's nuclear phase-out | Clean Energy Wire
i have heard a little about that here. seems there was or is some grants to up grade to newer engines. the story i read it was for commercial fishing boats
California has started that a few years ago with equipment in the woods and the rest of the PNW has followed suit, the days of simple and easy are quickly going out the window.

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Re: Timberjack 240 D: information about to buy the machine
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2019, 07:39:15 AM »
Well, its not like any of us are organized to offer much resistance. Same with trucks, manufacturing etc.
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Re: Timberjack 240 D: information about to buy the machine
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2019, 07:41:06 AM »
@hawlem just to help you makes sense of this thread...topic moving around it is because some worry that we won't be able to run old diesel engines here.  Out of curiosity is that an issue in Austria?  
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