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Woodmizer advice needed please
« on: February 08, 2019, 09:44:32 PM »
 I have never been a fan of this brand but I find myself in need of a higher production electric sawmill that can saw 24í beams and I need it soon and on a budget.

 Unfortunately, the only saw I can find on the used market that will fit the bill is it Woodmizer LT70.  I found it after hours this evening so I canít call Woodmizer for assistance and I am looking for answers to two questions:

1)  I will need to add an extension. Is it as simple as bolting the extension on or are there cables and lines that must be elongated to cover the extra 6 feet? I assume that is the case and is lengthening the cables and cords an extensive project?

2)  The mill has 8000 hours on it. I know if that was a  gas or diesel engine machine, that would be considered long in the tooth. It appears the machine has been kept under cover its whole life.  Are the high hours something to be wary of?

 I will be hard-pressed to visit the machine before committing to it. I hate to buy sight unseen but circumstances may necessitate it. If I do get a chance to look at it, what should I be looking for? Are there bearings that wear on the cantilevered head that would tend to make it sloppy? The DC motors on Woodmizers have always caused me to shake my head. What is the life expectancy of those units? 

What else should I be concerned about? Buying this unit will either cause me to modify my distaste for Woodmizer or reinforce my negative perception!  There is a chance for you Woodmizer fans to win a convert over!

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Woodmizer advice needed please
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2019, 10:06:38 PM »
I can tell you that on my 70 with the remote there are no cables, lines, etc needed for the extension, just bolt on the frame unit and install the chain.  Is the unit you are looking at a walk along or remote?

As far as hours go, completely depends on maintenance and the operator.  8,000 is really not long in the tooth if the mill was maintained, 2000 is quite old if the oil has never been changed.  

The head is stabilized by four cam rollers that ride on two rails, not a terribly expensive item if they need to be replaced.  

Really hard to evaluate anything that is sight unseen.  Is it near a WM dealer that you could pay to look it over and give you an estimate on what if anything it needs?
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2019, 10:16:01 PM »
 Thanks southside logger. I hadnít thought about contacting Woodmizer to have them inspect it.  The mill is located somewhere in Kentucky. Iíll have to search their dealership network.

The mill has the remote console. Remote operation has been a very important criteria in my search.
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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2019, 10:29:21 PM »
Just curious, what is it that turns you off about WM mills? 
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2019, 10:36:51 PM »
 I could go on a full blown rant with a laundry list of reasons but that would serve no useful purpose. I will just say that I have always thought them to be a case of the emperors new clothes.
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2019, 10:42:05 PM »
Dodge, Ford, Chevy I guess. We all have our preferences. 
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Re: Woodmizer advice needed please
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2019, 10:52:21 PM »
I don't think an extension can be added to a remote mill. Best to confirm with woodmizer. If you don't like woodmizer just curious why you aren't going with another brand?
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2019, 11:01:21 PM »
 Thank you for that heads up. I will check with them hey soon as they open Monday.

Expediency is the main reason  I am even considering a WM. There are not a lot of higher end electric mills on the used market.  I thought I had found the absolute perfect unit, the biggest Timber Harvester they ever produced, but the seller decided to hang onto the machine at the last minute. I donít have a lot of time to sit back and wait for another brand of mill to show up on the market.
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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2019, 11:04:40 PM »
Ironically I called WM today to get a quote on an extension for my 70, which is why I have those answers. They are open tomorrow FYI
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Re: Woodmizer advice needed please
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2019, 11:10:37 PM »
@Southside logger if it's a remote wouldn't you have to add to the cat track and the cables that run through it? 
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Re: Woodmizer advice needed please
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2019, 11:36:59 PM »
   I'd suggest you wait till you find a mill you will be happy with. I've had vehicles in the past I did not really want and was not happy till I traded them off for the one I wanted. Why go through that grief?
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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2019, 11:41:31 PM »
  I'd suggest you wait till you find a mill you will be happy with. I've had vehicles in the past I did not really want and was not happy till I traded them off for the one I wanted. Why go through that grief?
kinda like marriage.  ;D
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Re: Woodmizer advice needed please
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2019, 01:13:45 AM »
Command Control mills, the ones with the cat track, can only accept a 6' extension. On an LT70, that gives you approximately a 26' capacity. It's just a bolt on deal, very easy. Make sure the ends of the rails are drilled for it. I think all 70's are new enough to be drilled. I'm not sure, but an LT70AC might not use DC motors. 
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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2019, 03:58:58 AM »
I have a 2003 LT70. Has 11500 hours on it. It has worn out some stuff but the motor is still running like new(Kubota 42hp). I have a a remote with a 6 foot extension. Didnt have to do anything to the cat track. Apparently for 6 foot extensions, it isnt needed......back then anyways. 
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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2019, 08:25:22 AM »
Did you see there is a 70 on here for sale? Also I saw one on Lumberman's Digest. 

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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2019, 08:40:42 AM »
Victor isnt that far from Hannibal.
Take a short road trip.
BTW I like WM and GM trucks.
Have I had some issues with my WM mills? And GM trucks?
Yup./
But then if it is alive it will die, or get sick and if it is mechanical it will wear out or break.
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« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2019, 08:46:10 AM »
WM Indy is open til noon on Saturday.
Good luck with your new venture.
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« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2019, 08:54:22 AM »
Did you see there is a 70 on here for sale? Also I saw one on Lumberman's Digest.
That is correct.
The ad shows an area code of 559 which I think is California.
Brad is showing NY in his avatar.
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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2019, 09:17:15 AM »
We just got rid of our Lt70 wide  (400 hours )a couple of months ago. My parents taught me  if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all. So I will just be quiet ! >:(
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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2019, 10:40:22 AM »
What did you replace the lt70 with them just curious
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« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2019, 11:29:30 AM »
Thank you all for the help and advice, especially Dave and Percy and for informing me  The Indy office is open till noon.
This mill is also a 2003 and has the command control. Calling the office confirmed what Dave and Percy said, a 6 foot expansion can be bolted on with no further modifications needed.

 Yes, the woodmizer is not my favorite brand but if I was going to get a mill from them, it would be an LT 70. So Iím going to go back and suggest to my associate that we make a move trying to try and procure this mill.Thank you again for your help.
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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2019, 11:36:10 AM »
Try it, you might like. You may find the emperor is a pretty good guy after all.  :D
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Re: Woodmizer advice needed please
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2019, 10:33:34 PM »
8,000 hours sight unseen would worry me, be it Ford, Chevy, Woodmizer, John Deere, or Lexus.

If I was to buy it, I would carry it immediately to the nearest WM facility for a drop off, inspection and refit, as needed, before I cut the first log on it.  Bearings, rollers, blade guides, pads, belts, oil, hydraulics, hydraulic cylinders, bed rails, electrical cables, backstops, mast pads, raise lower chains, gearbox, feed chains, traverse gears, batteries, relays, lubemizer filters, check valves, debarker blade, swing motor, etc could all be worn to the point where it couldnít cut a straight piece of balsa wood. Thereís a difference between it working, and it being dialed in.  No telling if they babied it, used it, abused it, or trashed it. 

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« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2019, 12:41:10 PM »
Along the lines of what Yellow said(good advice), my 2003 lt70 had two serious  failures during the 8000 hour era. The up down gearbox failed  ( head dropped about a foot violently. The brass worm gear wore out. 
The second major problem was the pulleys for the main drive belt had worn to the point where the belt was  bottoming in the grooves causing much grief  for a few hundred hours till I determined  the cause of my problems. I have changed all cam followers at least three times in 11,000 hours. 

Theses failures are not unrealistic considering the age and use of my machine. Just things to look for and condsider. 

Price points vary with location. I have my lt70 listed at 30,000 Canadian with my insurance company which is is about 22,500 US. These numbers might be considered high but absolutely everything works on my mill. 

Good luck with this. 
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« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2019, 05:02:51 PM »
Brad,
If you already have an attitude about WM mills buying a mill with 8000 hours might be a big mistake.
Not trying to be snarky,just an observation to help eliminate buyers remorse.
Timberharvesters are great mills and it is a shame they are no longer around.Doesn't Cook's make a mill that would suit your needs?
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« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2019, 10:30:06 PM »
Brad, An LT70 Electric mill is truly an all AC mill. The drive motor, up- down motor, debarker motor, and even the hydraulic pump motor are all Industrial AC motors. Mill has no battery or alternator. It has no autoclutch to disengage the blade while the motor is still running. Motor energized the blade is turning. This is the major reason I don't own an electric 70. The diesel mill has an autoclutch option.

 At 8000 hrs I would have to go see it prior to making a commitment. Make sure that this mill has a fully functional Accuset II setworks. You will find it extremely frustrating to hit your mark on the height scale without it. The head up and down speed is really fast moving. Another issue to check out with an 8000 hr mill is the 4 main bed rails. These can sag, bend down in the middle, depending on the percentage of large logs it has sawn. No support in middle of rails. Only on the outer ends. Not big issue, rails are easily replaced. They bolt on. There is a field fix to stop this issue in the future.

   If over all blade life becomes an issue, look in to replacing the belted bandwheels with crown steel wheels. For maximum blade life, crown steel wheels are the only option. Hope this helps.
   
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« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2019, 08:36:29 AM »
 Thank you all, especially for the detailed descriptions of what I may expect. As much as I need a machine quickly, I have copied your replies to this thread and sent them to my associate. I have convinced him to let me enjoy my vacation in Florida in peace this week and let me address it when I get back home next week instead of him trying to strike a deal without me looking closely at the mill.
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« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2019, 09:08:58 AM »
Excellent idea brad.
Sometimes relaxing and putting an idea at arms length is the best thing to do.
Good luck with your endeavor.
You might check with elmoe.
Last time visited 2 years ago he had a 70, I think electric that he planned to install in his building. 
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« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2019, 05:01:31 PM »
2014 LT70 electric will be a DCS sawmill. It will accept a 6 foot or 12 foot bed extension. To add a bed extension you will need to replace the Festoon cables.

074069 is the Mounting Kit with cables for the 12 foot and 074068 is the Mounting Kit with cables for the 6 foot.
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