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What fuel is everyone using
« on: March 04, 2019, 07:30:28 PM »
Been running 100ll in my saws and trimmers for 20+ years but latestest trip to stihl dealer has me wondering, in the process of checking out my 290fb and a 251 I was trading due to me needing to thin out some of my saws the mechanic starts shaking his head and saying this fuel will kill you.. I laugh and say what wonít these days and he gets even more retarded telling me all the bad things thatís in it and quit running it ASAP! I pretty much ignored him after that, haggled a little on the price and ended up bringing a new 261 cm home. Which rips btw.. canít count the number of carbs Iíve replaced for people running 87 ethenal fuel and donít wanna go that route but donít have any shops near that sell ethenal fuel near me. Options?

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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2019, 07:40:23 PM »
I'm personally not that comfortable running leaded fuel. Lead's more of an issue for children, but I still don't like the idea of it exhausting a couple feet from my face. I have alcohol free gas ~30 miles away, so I pick up 10G at a time, and it lasts sufficiently long enough to make the trip worthwhile. It that wasn't available, I'm not sure what I'd do. I'd probably do some reading on removing the alcohol, and more importantly, boosting the octane once the alcohol was removed. It's all fairly straightforward, but it might be more hassle than I felt like dealing with. So... Not really sure. Leaded gas isn't completely off the table, but it wouldn't be my first choice.

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Re: What fuel is everyone using
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2019, 07:51:27 PM »
I buy boat gas, specifically Valvetect Marine Fuel, at our local oil company bulk store. If it looks like the saws may set for very long I fill them up with Stihl Moto-Mix. The boat gas also goes in the ATV, snowblower, roto-tiller, wood splitter, etc. 

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Re: What fuel is everyone using
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2019, 08:08:11 PM »
Were lucky and straight unleaded is just three miles down the highway from were I live. That's all I run in all my small engines,saws and old tractors. Have had zero issues with it. It is 25-30 cents higher per gallon. 

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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2019, 09:13:40 PM »
I use the highest grade of gas that I can buy at my local gas station. Got one of those Chevy Colorado trucks,that runs better on high test too.
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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2019, 09:30:54 PM »
Av gas is an option if your near an airport .
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Re: What fuel is everyone using
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2019, 12:46:22 AM »
I wouldn't even know where to find pure gas.

I buy the canned mix on occasion. But usually buy super unleaded with 10% or less ethanol and use name brand oil made for outdoor power equipment.
Recently I've been spending the extra dollar a bottle for the Red Armor because it says that it stays good for a long time once mixed if kept in a tightly sealed container.

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Re: What fuel is everyone using
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2019, 03:02:20 AM »
I run basic 95 octane pump gas on my equipment.
95 octane and 98 octane is what they sell on gas station, i'm not sure which one is  better for chainsaws.
I THINK i heard my husqvarna dealer say to run 98 octane, he did say that about lawnmower, not sure about chainsaw.
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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2019, 06:24:48 AM »
I use aspen. It is alkylat gasoline. It is very expensive but I can not stand regular exhaust gas from chainsaw anymore.

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Re: What fuel is everyone using
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2019, 07:51:09 AM »
 8) Oh goody now more of the gas wars in conjuction with the great never ending on going epic  oil debate .If I had an airplane I'd run aviation gasoline .If I had a fully restored Rolls -Royce silver cloud I'd run pure non ethanol leaded gasoline .If I still owned my Harley chopper I'd run Cam II .All I have is a shed full of chainsaws,old tractors ,a few lawn mowers,a Ford Ranger and big Mercury automobile .They all seem to do just fine on pump gas   .Even my old Jeep that was brand new in 1965 .I was brand new in 1948 and I'm still running fine .I run just fine on black coffee ,Budweiser,fried chicken ,bacon ,and beef steak and potatoes .No grits for ,Yankee you know . :D :D

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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2019, 11:45:19 AM »
VP fuels sell good gasoline everything from non leaded and leaded all the way up in octane over a 110. From 5 gallon pails up to 45 gallon drums or bigger.

Their quart 40;1 50:1 non ethanol non leaded goes for
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Re: What fuel is everyone using
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2019, 11:58:36 AM »
Pure-gas.org and Buyrealgas.com are both good websites that list local stations that well ethanol free gas.

I buy 5-6 gallons at a time and use it to make my mix.  Works fine.

It is not leaded gas - just ethanol free.  Marinaís usually sell ethanol free gas too.
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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2019, 02:18:38 PM »
I use stihl timbersport fuel, I advise my clientale to do the same. If I can't get the stihl timbersport fuel then I will buy 93 mix that with orange bottle stihl oil. The timbersport fuel has a distinctive smell when a saw is tuned properly. I love that smell. I know fuel is expensive, however, the alternative is more so. That's just my opinion of course.

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Re: What fuel is everyone using
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2019, 02:52:20 PM »
Bog standard unleaded petrol @5 litres+100 ml of stihl orange mineral oil for ever,just lately switched to the semi synth green oil @ 40-1 with the same standard petrol.Never had an issue I know of running  multiple 2 stroke machines of a wide age range over 35 years.Honestly, I spend more time worrying about keeping chains and blades sharp,regularly cleaning/replacing air filters,changing out fuel/air filters and spark plugs etc.If your doing big hours these items should just be changed,maintained regularly.NOT when they fail,it should be part of your maintenance schedule.Apart from doing my own stuff,a lot of my customers ask me to service their mowers over Winter-which is handy over my quiet spell.Typical scenario:Nice top quality honda ohv mower you have here-how old is it?5 year old now.Me-when did you last change the oil/spark plug or air filter and ever balance and sharpen the blade?Umm, never replies the customer.Crazy when you think this could well be a £1000 mower.I mean,do you wait for your spark plugs to fail before you replace them on your car!?Otherwise intelligent people never fail to astonish me.
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« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2019, 03:09:16 PM »
My favourite chainsaw,I like to run on vintage champagne with a heady slug of organic truffle oil  thumbs-up
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Re: What fuel is everyone using
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2019, 03:35:58 PM »
Aspen Alkylate Petrol. 
Because it won't hurt the engine and probably not me either, and my clothes won't stink. 
It is about twice the price of normal oil mixed petrol, but it is money well spent.

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« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2019, 09:00:01 PM »
I use stihl timbersport fuel, I advise my clientale to do the same. If I can't get the stihl timbersport fuel then I will buy 93 mix that with orange bottle stihl oil. The timbersport fuel has a distinctive smell when a saw is tuned properly. I love that smell. I know fuel is expensive, however, the alternative is more so. That's just my opinion of course.
Depends on how much you use.
Say you use a little more than the average occasional user. Just a gallon or so of 2-stroke a month on average.
I know I can keep all my 2-stroke equipment running for 10 years on my home brew. 
So in that 10 years I saved about $15 a month. That's $1800. Enough to get a new pro saw or two every 10 years.

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« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2019, 09:26:57 PM »
Sorry for this off the wall answer but it is true!  I live off the grid with solar power so my 58v 16" echo truly runs on sunshine. However I do have to dump bar and chain oil into it

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« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2019, 05:24:23 AM »
With so many different ideas and formula's it is hard to lock in on a favourite brew that will be 1. accesible 2. suit all machines 3. affordable 4. not be detrimental to engine life ( as a hobby/collector this one is important.. cause we love these little machines)
Please somebody come up with the perfect formula
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« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2019, 05:49:57 AM »
I did some research about the pump gas in my country.

Since may 2018 95 octane gas had 5% etanol and 98 octane gas had 0%
But in April 2019 the 95 octane gas will have 10% of ethanol in it and 98 octane gas will remain at 0%

So can you guys tell me, should i start using the 98 octane pump gas?
Or is the higher octane somehow going to damage my chainsaws, lawnmowers etc.

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« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2019, 08:03:46 AM »

So can you guys tell me, should i start using the 98 octane pump gas?
Or is the higher octane somehow going to damage my chainsaws, lawnmowers etc.
I don't think there's any harm in running too high octane. It can cause engines to run sub optimally(speaking more of cars here), but won't cause any damage. I'd be thrilled to find 98 octane corn free gas near me.

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« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2019, 09:17:06 AM »
Running 93 octane corn-free gas with Stabil has really helped my small engines and old engines.  Before I switched I was always cleaning carbs.  I use both 87 and 93 octane depending on the use.  Old tractors don't need high octane.
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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2019, 09:51:46 AM »
I can go to my local Wal Mart and get non ethanol 85.  Go down the road and get super non ethanol.  Goes in boat, lawnmower, blower, and chainsaw.

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« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2019, 10:20:57 AM »
I can go to my local Wal Mart and get non ethanol 85.  Go down the road and get super non ethanol.  Goes in boat, lawnmower, blower, and chainsaw.


Exactly what I do and have done for over 3 yrs.  Just bought 3 gal yesterday of the 85 oct. to start my winter wood cutting for next winter.  My fuel line, carb issues deceased.  Anyone with these issues needs to at least try this method.

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« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2019, 11:09:25 PM »
Sorry for this off the wall answer but it is true!  I live off the grid with solar power so my 58v 16" echo truly runs on sunshine. However I do have to dump bar and chain oil into it
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« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2019, 11:15:53 PM »
With so many different ideas and formula's it is hard to lock in on a favourite brew that will be 1. accesible 2. suit all machines 3. affordable 4. not be detrimental to engine life ( as a hobby/collector this one is important.. cause we love these little machines)
Please somebody come up with the perfect formula
Currently using 91 oct /unled /semi synth/40:1/and a fuel stabiliser
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The better oils already have stabilizers built in.

I use a little under a gallon for 2.6 ounces of oil. So high 40's to 1.
Don't want a bunch of oil goopin up the muffler.

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« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2019, 04:45:30 AM »
With so many different ideas and formula's it is hard to lock in on a favourite brew that will be 1. accesible 2. suit all machines 3. affordable 4. not be detrimental to engine life ( as a hobby/collector this one is important.. cause we love these little machines)
Please somebody come up with the perfect formula
Currently using 91 oct /unled /semi synth/40:1/and a fuel stabiliser
fishin-smiley
The better oils already have stabilizers built in.

I use a little under a gallon for 2.6 ounces of oil. So high 40's to 1.
Don't want a bunch of oil goopin up the muffler.
The semi synth is an Aussie oil and no mention of fuel additives on label
The fuel additive ( and oil for that matter ) was recommended to me for my work ute by a mate that has been a cattle man working in the outback most of his life. His current Toyota landcruiser ute has over a mil km's working outback country without a rebuild.
This product does 3 types of additive
Oil/Diesel fuel and petrol fuel.
My auto mechanic that looks after my work ute has given the product the thumbs up
mine has 425000 km's without engine problems
 I trust these men
Therefore the small engines get a bit of the good stuff
Having said all that I am keen to try Stihl premium orange mineral
Holmen has given it the thumbs up and that is good enough for me
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« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2019, 09:33:14 AM »
Echo Red Armor I been using .27 bucks a gallon last year so not cheap.This will be my 3rd year running it so time will tell.

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« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2019, 10:49:13 AM »
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« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2019, 11:17:02 AM »
Having said all that I am keen to try Stihl premium orange mineral
Holmen has given it the thumbs up and that is good enough for me
Cheers mate
Air Lad, yes I believe Australia gets the same Stihl Premium Castrol blend as we do in Canada. You should have the same back label on the bottle with the Castrol trademark logo, minus the French bilingual stuff.



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« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2019, 03:07:19 PM »
Specrtro golden 40-1 or 50-1 w/100LL av gas, stores at least 2 years. If I run lots on a mill then 93 octane non-corn

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« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2019, 12:38:33 AM »
I usually run 100LL in all my gas engines, but the other day, i got 5 gal of supposed ethanol free low octane for my welder. I could def tell a difference in the exhaust smell that it wasnt av gas and it seemed to not like it as well as the av gas. Luckily it was only 5 gal and i should have that burned out by the end of the week. Will be going back to av gas. As for 2 stoke equip, i try to keep av gas in the tanks and some pre mixed, but have had to buy station gas when on the road and used more fuel than i thought i would. But as soon as i get hm, i swing by the airport and pick up some more 100LL, dump the pump gas out and refill and run for a min or so to ensure the nasty gas is no more. 
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« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2019, 01:25:00 AM »
e0 87 for carbed 4 strokes
e0 92 for 2 strokes
for a year round avrege it runs about 0.40c a gal over name brand e10 fuel.

i can also get 110L fuel its not AV fuel, its the nascar blend 
from the days before they ran the e15 stuff...also with full lead, not low lead.
sold out of a hose for a mere $8.00 a gal. in a sealed contaner the price shoots up REAL bad, like near 2X..
smells like gas used to. not to far off from paint thinner. LOL

oregon where i live, has a ban on e0-87 and e0-89 octane being sold for "on-road use", clear back to 2007
only e0-92 is legal to be sold for on road use.
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e0 87 and 89 in OR are treated in the same way as red deisel but no die is added and you still pay the .30c a gal road tax. sence theres litttle demand theres not many places to get it. 
they cant put it at a public pump it has to be cept behind a lock and key and-or fence and made shur of that its not being despenced in a on-road use manner. its like trying to buy a black market fuel..
the few places selling e0-92 are at 4.50 or so in OR, versus $3.80/3.60 price in WA for the same thing. 
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« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2019, 05:39:23 AM »
The way ethanol is rolled out up here is my volume produced. Pumps say 'may contain up to 10% ethanol". In the US it's labelled 'contains 10%'. This not the same. You can get gas that may not have any or up to 10 %. Some stations under the name Ultramar never has ethanol in it. That being said, when thinning for 6-7 months a year we run through a lot of gas in a day/week. Varies with the cutting. We never worry about ethanol. I have saws 6 to 15 years old, they all cut fine and no leaking gas lines. Never even busted a primer button, ever. I own only one tool that even mentions ethanol use, and that says 'no more than 10%' on the gas tank. That is a snow blower. Been working just fine for years. :)
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« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2019, 02:11:04 PM »
Of no interest in this day and age but in looking at 40 year old McCulloch go kart racing engines it was recommended "white gas " and 20 to  1 ratio .For those who don't know this was in the days of leaded gasoline .White gas was Coleman lantern fuel no lead at all ,it plugged the jets .
They cranked the compression up on those race engines much higher than even modified chainsaw engines in this day and age . Tetraethyl lead is an anti knock additive but evidently it wasn't worried about even on  racing engines . 100 octane rating  aviation gasoline has been around for decades and it wasn't even mentioned . So while it's mandatory on an aircraft I  suppose  it could be optional on a chainsaw . Although it's rather doubtful anybody would be operating same at 14,000 feet elevation . :)


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