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1st Day of Revenue
« on: March 09, 2019, 07:04:37 PM »
Well, it's been a great 1st year of learning. We've learned so much here on the form, cut our own logs, made some good moves and made my share of mistakes (I still thinks thats the best way to learn  ;D). We finally made the leap and took on our first portable sawing job for a customer. 

The project is sawing 5/4 and 9/4 (mostly elm) from salvaged urban logs for a large, reputable customer. I knew it would be a difficult job due to the not-so-perfect logs and plenty of trash metal to deal with, but we made a reasonable deal that should work for both of us. I'm fortunate in that this is not our sole source of income and I can give it a try without breaking the bank. I've got a lot to learn and this job allows me the freedom (and some income) to do that. It's been crazy cold and snowy up here (we're in another winter storm as I wirte this up) but yesterday got to 25, so we decided to spend the day on site cutting. 

We set up here for the day, but in the future, we'll move to a different area on the property. There was a slight uphill pitch to the loading arms, I need a bigger cant hook (or maybe level ground) stupid_smiley. Lesson 1 



We cut 9/4 all day. They wanted one live edge on most, these were some of what we did.



We've got a few left  :). Most of what you see were delivered by side dump, so the owner sorts through them, cleans, bucks and ques them up. Many more loads on the way. 

   

I've got the sawing bug BAD! We did OK for our first official day. About 2,200 bf while dealing with frozen elm, 8 blades (5 ruined to metal strikes), heavy slabs and
our newbie experience. All-in-all it was a good day. I look forward to getting a lot better at this with all of your expertise.
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Re: 1st Day of Revenue
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2019, 07:16:04 PM »
In the logs that you hit metal was there blue stain on the stump side of the log?
I'm curious if elm shows stain from metal like some other species of trees do.
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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2019, 07:19:21 PM »
Not that we could see at all. I can't get over how deep some of the wire, nails and screw are under the bark and how deep it can go, crazy.
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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2019, 07:27:51 PM »
Boonesyard,

congratulations on your first "paying" sawing job.  Sounds like you have a good working partnership with the log owners and expectations to get you up and going without too much stress on the customers "over expectations" from the lumber out of said logs.

You got that right, the 'saw bug' is vicious, I think its one of the worst addictions out there "sawdust addiction"  with all the horrible news out there on the masses OD'ing on this and that, keeps the media busy, just hope they don't get wind of the horrid "sawdust addiction"  then you'll start seeing news stories of those peeking over wooden yard fences at that big ole oak tree with a useless tire swing hanging from it, or the guy who suddenly comes to a screeching halt on a major highway to gawk at a tree stand off in the distance, while an eight car pileup builds behind them. ::)

best of luck to you, keep the posts and photos coming, we all like the pictures ;D 

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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2019, 07:42:54 PM »
Mike,

You're exactly right! Since I bought the saw, it's changed my persepctive on on how long the road trip really takes. A guy really does need to slow down or take the long route to look at shelter belts, wood lots, downed trees, big trees, small trees (and the beat goes on). I'm hooked 
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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2019, 07:53:18 PM »
Not that we could see at all. I can't get over how deep some of the wire, nails and screw are under the bark and how deep it can go, crazy.
Thanks for the reply.
Cutting 1 inch boards one day on the third or fourth pass I sawed a square head 1/2" lag bolt in a pine log.
Blade went into the customer's metal dumpster.
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Re: 1st Day of Revenue
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2019, 08:07:45 PM »
We set up here for the day, but in the future, we'll move to a different area on the property. There was a slight uphill pitch to the loading arms, I need a bigger cant hook (or maybe level ground) stupid_smiley. Lesson 1
   Congratulations. I understand sawdust is only slightly less addictive than cocaine and there are debates in some quarters about that.

   On the larger cant hook look down below on the sponsor's areas at the Logrite special offers. May be a great time to upgrade/add to your equipment list.
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2019, 08:43:43 PM »
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I've reshaped my share of blades during this past year, but I hit a lag bolt yesterday that reshaped it like I haven't seen. Every tooth was severely bent down at the same angle. I'll try to remeber to take a pic tomorrow, interesting to the tune of $25.

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I'll check out the cant hook specials. I've got a 48", but we moved some big ones yesterday that we had a 48" and two 60" on to move (again, the slight uphill thing). Even with th right setup, I think I want something I could move the world with, maybe the 78"er.
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Re: 1st Day of Revenue
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2019, 09:00:47 PM »
Boonesyard,

   I think each of us need a 78" Logrite in our kit. 

   BTW/FWIW - do you have a MagicMan special? Take the hook off a cant hook or make one if you have the skills and equipment, attach it to a short length of chain (I think I have about 30" of 1/4" chain on mine) with a chain hook on the opposite end. I take 1-2 6' pieces of 1/4" chain with hooks on each end. On those big ones especially if they don't want to roll over because of sweep or a stub or such I drive the cant hook into the top of the log, open my movable hydraulic clamp wide open, raise it a couple of inches and hook the chain to the clamp then adjust the chain as tightly as I can. Then I close the clamp moving the log about 2' at a time. I may have to repeat a time or two but usually one pull is enough to roll the log over onto the arms. 

   Also sometimes the claw alone is not enough to turn a really big heavy log and you may have get an assist from movable clamp.
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Re: 1st Day of Revenue
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2019, 09:58:49 PM »
Boonesyard,
Looks to me like you had a great first payday!!
Mine was the day after Christmas and only 250 bf of Tupelo. 
My customer did send a picture of a table he made. 


 
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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2019, 11:31:05 PM »
Boonesyard,

   I think each of us need a 78" Logrite in our kit.

   BTW/FWIW - do you have a MagicMan special? Take the hook off a cant hook or make one if you have the skills and equipment, attach it to a short length of chain (I think I have about 30" of 1/4" chain on mine) with a chain hook on the opposite end. I take 1-2 6' pieces of 1/4" chain with hooks on each end. On those big ones especially if they don't want to roll over because of sweep or a stub or such I drive the cant hook into the top of the log, open my movable hydraulic clamp wide open, raise it a couple of inches and hook the chain to the clamp then adjust the chain as tightly as I can. Then I close the clamp moving the log about 2' at a time. I may have to repeat a time or two but usually one pull is enough to roll the log over onto the arms.

   Also sometimes the claw alone is not enough to turn a really big heavy log and you may have get an assist from movable clamp.
WOW! As I read this post, I could see it working in my head, genius. I'm taking a week of vacation in a couple weeks to work on this customers logs and I guarantee I'll have an MM special ready to go. Thanks
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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2019, 11:34:13 PM »
Mossy,

Never been around any Tupelo, but it sure looks like a keeper. I'm a little jealous of the species variety some of you guys get to play with.
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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2019, 10:53:50 AM »
   Here is my MM special in use with John turning a really gnarly walnut crotch. If you own a hydraulic mill you need one of these.


 
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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2019, 11:05:47 AM »
I think I've got something in the shop that will work well for the hook. After I move all of this snow today (probably take 6-8 hours), I'll be putting one together. Thanks for the pic.

    
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Re: 1st Day of Revenue
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2019, 11:13:08 AM »
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I've reshaped my share of blades during this past year, but I hit a lag bolt yesterday that reshaped it like I haven't seen. Every tooth was severely bent down at the same angle. I'll try to remeber to take a pic tomorrow, interesting to the tune of $25.
The lag bolt I sawed I hit almost perpendicular to the shank in both directions and I made it through.
The last 2 feet of log beyond it the blade was diving bad.
What you charge for a damaged or destroyed blade is your business.  
I charge what the last blades I bought cost each (including freight) and $10.00 for lost production.
Try and stay away from ceramics I hear that is bad.  So far I have not tangled with any.
Wish you some Happppy Sawwwing.
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« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2019, 11:49:56 AM »
Try and stay away from ceramics I hear that is bad


Ceramic insulators make sawing a lag bolt seem like cutting cedar.... and just in case you are curious a chainsaw striking the same invisible insulator will make the same noise as the bandsaw made...>:(
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« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2019, 11:54:20 AM »
This is the band I talked about in my original post. We hit a lag and it bent all of the teeth in the same direction at almost a 90 degree angle. I think Woodmizer resharp would have their hands full trying to reset this one   :o
 
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« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2019, 02:08:00 PM »
I gave up trying to fix foreign object hit blades. I fold them and step on them in front of the customer. I then charge $35 a blade. I only saw by the hr so the customer looses the production not me.
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« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2019, 02:22:03 PM »
 :o  That blade is a total wreck!!  :-X



 
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Re: 1st Day of Revenue
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2019, 02:38:56 PM »
That blade reminds me of a blackfish (tautog). Teeth sticking out sideways. 
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