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Sawmill Building - Enclosed or Open
« on: March 12, 2019, 01:08:43 AM »
I thought I had this one figured out, I was going to get a red iron, open sided 40x60 or so building put up, with 20 feet between side wall columns so I could move logs and lumber in and out as needed.  This would provide good ventilation for my diesel mill and plenty of room for the edger, log deck and conveyors. I could bring material in through the walls or end openings.

However, my current sawmill shed is open sided on two sides, and with all the rain lately, a wet mess with the wind blowing the rain sideways seemingly from all directions  Also, its cold and windy in the winter, hot in the summer.  So Im thinking of building a conventional, fully walled building with a big 20 foot wide door or three, similar to our current warehouse, and move everything inside there. This would present problems with ventilation and sawdust (I would have a blower) but I was wondering what your experiences and choices would be, pro or con.  

Seems like it would be more comfortable but more problematic.  What do you think?  Ive done lots of searches and seen lots of nice buildings, open and closed, but am wondering about the actual practicality of sawing and edging inside a building.  Also, is a 40x60 big enough?  Dirt floor to save my feet, or concrete, which is easy to clean?
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Re: Sawmill Building - Enclosed or Open
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2019, 01:43:37 AM »
Why arent you electric on the mill?
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Re: Sawmill Building - Enclosed or Open
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2019, 03:40:16 AM »
When you get the perfect building figured out. Please let me know. Doesn't seem to matter what I build it is never big enough. Things never flow as easy as in my planning stage. Operating in a controlled environment sounds great. Walking on concrete all day not so much. Having a nice building without concrete doesn't sound like to good idea.    
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Re: Sawmill Building - Enclosed or Open
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2019, 04:41:02 AM »
Floor=concrete. I tried dense grade for easier walking and it is but the packed sawdust picks it up even if you hand scoop.
Walls=2 sides open and hang shade cloth on the others. The light colored shade cloth was about the best money I ever spent. I figured it would help with the dreaded July sun but never expected how much it would help with winter wind and rain. Stays light and dry inside. Hang it like a shower curtain and its out of the way in seconds.



 

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Re: Sawmill Building - Enclosed or Open
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2019, 06:13:37 AM »
Closed sheds are loud... Sound can't get out, and there's no earmuffs can dull the noise of a working mill in a tight space.

 If possible I'd site so the prevailing weather side was to one end and close that in, but other than that shadecloth awnings will keep the worst of it from blowing through. 
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2019, 07:45:50 AM »
I would go open side with roll down curtains like those in a dairy free stall.  You really don't want walls come August. That is how I designed mine, if it ever stops raining long enough I will get to actually complete it too. My main open span saw area is 36' x 48' but the mill will go out in it's own "dog nose" area 20' x 30' with the deck feeding it. This way it's at one end and lumber travels in a linear fashion from the mill into the main area for edging, Re-saw, stacking, etc leaving plenty of movement room.  Keeps the diesel and worst noise further away this way too and I can saw with the main part buttoned up without worry. 
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2019, 08:09:02 AM »
Southside beat me to it. a curtain barn for the roll up openings. But here is an idea; everything in there raised off the floor on the least and smallest legs. Have all baseboard corners radii [curverd , not square].  In an indoor sawmill you will spend a considerable amount of time cleaning up and I use a leaf blower every day after a quick sweep. Square corners and machines without feet mess up the process.

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Re: Sawmill Building - Enclosed or Open
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2019, 08:26:56 AM »
Dirt floor to save my feet, or concrete
You have plenty of recommendation regarding your building, so I will only address your feet.  Dirt will not save your feet, but proper boot insoles will.  A podiatrist (foot doctor) prescribed mine and they were ~$40.
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Re: Sawmill Building - Enclosed or Open
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2019, 08:32:25 AM »
   Definitely concrete floor for easier maintenance. I like the shade dry option for a couple of walls to keep the rain from blowing in.

   Might consider a gap of a foot or so at the bottom so you can blow or wash the sawdust, dirt and dust out for easy maintenance too. I'd keep the maintenance options and requirements in mind for everything you build.
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Re: Sawmill Building - Enclosed or Open
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2019, 08:51:01 AM »
I'm pondering the same issue.  When I build my pole shed, I want to have a living space area, with small bedroom, kitchenette, bathroom, and then an open, uninsulated shed area for where the mill may go.  As such, I too want a 20-foot opening....likely a sliding shed door...to obtain this desired opening.  I am hopeful that the required header for so large an opening will not be cost-prohibitive.

I like the dairy barn curtain idea, but I want stuff secured when I'm not around.  I plan to store a bit of equipment in the same area as where the mill might end up.  We're going to need locking doors.

20 feet is the longest material I expect to need to be handling, once I start sawing up beveled siding from my larch trees.  I would not want to limit this dimension, as certain customers are sure to want longer lengths.

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Re: Sawmill Building - Enclosed or Open
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2019, 09:32:17 AM »
I am going with a pole barn buiding,half siding with dirt floor. We saw very little from September to March so we want shade and some breeze while being under cover during rain showers.
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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2019, 09:47:49 AM »
A wood floor is also an option. Not nearly as hard as concrete and way easier to keep clean than dirt. Expensive, but if you have a sawmill that will make it a bit more affordable. 
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Re: Sawmill Building - Enclosed or Open
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2019, 10:03:35 AM »
My 40x100 opensided building was a compromise between cost and function/durability. MY LT70 is on a 35x10 cement pad but is elevated about 5 feet with a steel substucture. The rest of the mill has a wooden floor built heavy enough to accept the weight of my all wheel steer bobcat(aprox 8500 lbs) and lumber when I need to keep it out of the rain/snow. I would love to have walls of some sort that were moveable but  it just isnt in the cards. Southsides roll up curtains idea is something I will ponder. 

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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2019, 12:50:54 PM »
What do roofs and clamps have in common ?  You never have enough of either. 
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Re: Sawmill Building - Enclosed or Open
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2019, 01:20:11 PM »
Hangar door all 4 sides :) Open the doors when you are working close them when you are done.

Definitely concrete floors.

I do wonder why you are not electric yet. for the money you could sell that diesel for you could replace 2 engines with electric motors. Maybe more.

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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2019, 01:31:44 PM »
Me and my buddy currently building a 20x40 with 20'opening on one end and 14' opening on the other. 24' openings on both of the long walls set closer to the 20' opening end...
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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2019, 02:05:21 PM »
With my experience milling both inside a heated shop and outside in winter, I'll take milling inside all day long.  I'm going electric soon too.  We've had enough ventilation of the gas engine with as often as we open and close the overhead door, but it's not ideal, hence why I'm going electric.  The biggest advantage is no wind to blow dust in your face.  That has been a huge problem when I take the mill onsite and mill outside.  In summer we have an industrial fan blowing from start of the bed town towards the end on the operator.  Works just fine.  We bring logs in through the 20' wide overhead door.  In summer we keep it open.  In winter we heat the inside and only open to go in or out with the forklift.
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Re: Sawmill Building - Enclosed or Open
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2019, 02:31:03 PM »
I wonder what the economics of a small door or opening with a log deck feeding a conveyer to bring the log in length wise verse the extra large door?

If you were going to have a log deck anyway it would be mostly large door and header verses conveyer.

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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2019, 03:09:29 PM »
I may go electric in the future, but I don't have any 3 phase except by phase converters, which I use already and are maxed out.  So I'd need to pull more single phase, new infrastructure, and new phase converter.  My current mill is diesel, and I figured when it died or gave me any trouble I'd convert to electric, but I think it knows that, so has been on its best behavior.

I like the curtains but I wonder how long they would last?

I really like the mill sheds and buildings with the huge wooded post and beam construction.  They look great, but nobody around here builds them and I just don't the time anymore.  They would give me the rustic look I'd like to have.

Our other building has a concrete floor, but wow, did that cost some money.  6 inches thick, truck after truck after truck.  I tried an experiment under the shed wing where I keep my edger.  I went to one of out hills and dug down to true Alabama red clay fill dirt and backfilled with it, building up a clay floor, and then hosed it down and let it settle.  Its as hard as a rock and I routinely blow out under the edger with a leaf blower, and the clay just sits there.

I hadn't thought of the airplane hanger type building, where basically the walls raise up.  

Once of the things I like about the full open structure is that if I need to expand, I can just add another section.  Customsawyer has a few dozen acres under roof (it seems like it anyway) and he was able to put new additions of pretty easy, I believe.  

I'm not sure how I could do the wood floors, around here, if a hunk of wood is near the dirt, the termites and beetles are in it almost immediately.  I'd have to use pressure treated wood.  I think I watched some of Bibbymans old video and he used wood floors.

Noise would be an issue, but I wear hearing protection.  I don't see how anything could be louder than that screaming edger. 

One thing for sure, whether open or closed building, the local Fire Marshall and my insurance company watch me like a hawk, since we also have retail spaces with lots of foot traffic.  So cleanliness and cleaning are important.    
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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2019, 04:01:44 PM »
I like the curtains but I wonder how long they would last?


20 years and counting with less than agreeable cows on our old place.  What about dead sand?  I was actually thinking about flooring this weekend when edging a pile of siding.  My plan had been to do concrete, but running that siding made me realize that I would probably end up matting all of the concrete just to keep walking at the end of the day, so spend more money on top of a pile of money going that route.  Then it hit me that we had actually done away with concrete in the loafing barn and gone to all dead sand with mats over it, the stuff packs hard enough that it won't move but still affords cushion, it was very obvious with the improved leg and hoof conditions that there is a marked difference.  Cleaning is not an issue and if you had to water it down the sand remains pourus.  I am going to take a hard look at going that route here instead.  
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