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Re: Woodland mills, TimberKing or Woodmizer
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2019, 06:39:20 PM »
There's a lot of brand loyalty here.  It's like asking Chevy, Ford or Ram pickup truck?  All have pluses and minuses and some will say buy a Toyota or Nissan.  You have to pick what suits you.  The mills you mention all have pluses and minuses.  

Be careful about the "bigger is better" mentality.  You can buy a larger capacity sawmill and waste money on capacity you rarely use.  Sure I get offered the occasional log larger than 36" that I turn down but the majority of the logs I get are 24" or less.  I don't have a market for wide live edge slabs.  

One aspect where bigger IS better is horsepower and torque.  Those 9hp sawmills do saw lumber but slowly.  25hp or more is better.  Diesel is even better but more costly.

The key is buying a mill to fit your situation.  Pick a mill that has a "sweet spot" for the most common log size and lumber you will saw.  If the largest typical diameter of logs is 24". Then buy a mill with enough capacity to handle those logs plus a little bit more (most will have that capacity and more).  What kind of lumber do you plan to make most often?  If it's is 1x, 2x and 4x, buy a mill that will do that plus a little bit more.  If you are cutting big thick slabs for bar tops and counters etc., buy a mill to do that.  If timber framing and beams are your thing, buy a mill well suited for that.

If you are planning on doing portable sawing, hydraulics are a necessity unless you plan on dragging a skid steer or tractor to load logs.

Logs are heavy and difficult to move without equipment.  A pine log 24" diameter and 8' long is going to weigh 1,000 pounds or more depending upon species.  A white oak the same size will weigh at least 1,500 pounds.  Moving 10 or 15 of those a day by hand isn't easy.  Moving a 42" wide X 36" tall stack of green 2x8 lumber is a lot easier on the forks of a tractor, skid steer or fork lift.

The sawmill is only one piece of the equation, support equipment and supporting tools also add up - like blades for the sawmill, chainsaw, leaf blower, cant hooks (yes you will likely need more than one) chain for moving logs, safety gear, tape measures, hammer, hatchet/axe and other tools.  You may already have most of the tools.  I found if I didn't dedicate tools to the sawmill, I had to go looking for my ______. 

We don't mean to discourage you, we've been in your shoes and have dealt with the realities of handling logs, lumber and waste slabs.  It is easy to lose interest when material handling is unnecessarily hard.  It is also discouraging to start sawing only to realize you don't have support tools handy.
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« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2019, 12:41:43 AM »
There's a lot of brand loyalty here.  It's like asking Chevy, Ford or Ram pickup truck?  All have pluses and minuses and some will say buy a Toyota or Nissan.  You have to pick what suits you.  The mills you mention all have pluses and minuses.  

Be careful about the "bigger is better" mentality.  You can buy a larger capacity sawmill and waste money on capacity you rarely use.  Sure I get offered the occasional log larger than 36" that I turn down but the majority of the logs I get are 24" or less.  I don't have a market for wide live edge slabs.  

One aspect where bigger IS better is horsepower and torque.  Those 9hp sawmills do saw lumber but slowly.  25hp or more is better.  Diesel is even better but more costly.

The key is buying a mill to fit your situation.  Pick a mill that has a "sweet spot" for the most common log size and lumber you will saw.  If the largest typical diameter of logs is 24". Then buy a mill with enough capacity to handle those logs plus a little bit more (most will have that capacity and more).  What kind of lumber do you plan to make most often?  If it's is 1x, 2x and 4x, buy a mill that will do that plus a little bit more.  If you are cutting big thick slabs for bar tops and counters etc., buy a mill to do that.  If timber framing and beams are your thing, buy a mill well suited for that.

If you are planning on doing portable sawing, hydraulics are a necessity unless you plan on dragging a skid steer or tractor to load logs.

Logs are heavy and difficult to move without equipment.  A pine log 24" diameter and 8' long is going to weigh 1,000 pounds or more depending upon species.  A white oak the same size will weigh at least 1,500 pounds.  Moving 10 or 15 of those a day by hand isn't easy.  Moving a 42" wide X 36" tall stack of green 2x8 lumber is a lot easier on the forks of a tractor, skid steer or fork lift.

The sawmill is only one piece of the equation, support equipment and supporting tools also add up - like blades for the sawmill, chainsaw, leaf blower, cant hooks (yes you will likely need more than one) chain for moving logs, safety gear, tape measures, hammer, hatchet/axe and other tools.  You may already have most of the tools.  I found if I didn't dedicate tools to the sawmill, I had to go looking for my ______.

We don't mean to discourage you, we've been in your shoes and have dealt with the realities of handling logs, lumber and waste slabs.  It is easy to lose interest when material handling is unnecessarily hard.  It is also discouraging to start sawing only to realize you don't have support tools handy.


Thanks for the advice.  It is not discouraging.  This is what I need to know.   While I am not new to building wood projects I am new to saw milling and am eager to learn.  I do not live in an area that is dense with timber.   South Texas has its 24 inch logs but not very much bigger.  Usually mesquite, oak or ash.  I may have access to some cedar but it is limited.   I wish I could say I have the money and am going to buy cash but I may have to finance it.   I am just hesitant on the financing idea.   I want to expand to do more wood projects and eventually get away from our t-shirt business.  

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« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2019, 01:15:00 AM »
I just saw a video of the Wood Mizer LT15GO.  It looks like a model I would be interested in.  I can cut some wide diameter logs and it is portable.   The price is not too bad.   Gonna ponder on it a while and later decide.   I like the Timber King models but they a bit higher in price.   I am not saying they are not worth the price.  I just cannot see myself affording a mill at that price right now.  

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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2019, 04:28:15 AM »
  If you are going to be cutting bigger logs get one with more capacity.   Way too many logs are over 28".  Steve
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« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2019, 07:40:37 AM »
It would be time well spent to go and spend a day with a sawyer who has s mill similar to what you are interested in. I would highly suggest finding one with and one without hydraulics so you have first hand knowledge of just what the difference is. 

A 4 minute video just does not give you a realistic view of what sawing for 4,6 or 8 hours is really like. 
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Re: Woodland mills, TimberKing or Woodmizer
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2019, 04:33:15 PM »
I hope I'm not violating the letter or spirit of the forum by quickly jumping in. If I am I'm sure someone will let me know. :D

But I simply want to say that if a TimberKing mill is of interest, please allow us to quote a 1220 with a transport package. That way you will have everything in black and white of what's included and all of the costs.

Typically we find that once everything's down on paper and accounted for our mills are very price-competitive.

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« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2019, 05:36:55 PM »
I have had my timber king b 2000 for about 6 years.  Matt is my contact at TK and they go out of there way to help out.  i am 4 hours from the office and that played a role as i was able to visit.  lots of video and depends a bit on what you plan to do, and volume, hobby vs business ect.
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« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2019, 09:35:59 PM »
+1 on what Southside said on spending time with a couple of sawyers.  Even if you have to travel, spend a night in a hotel etc. it is money well spent. 
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« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2019, 10:34:52 PM »
I might just travel some place where there is a sawmill and see them in action.   Thanks for the advice. 

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« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2019, 03:08:56 AM »
One more question.  In your opinions, if pricing equal or close to equal.   Would you get a sawmill with a slightly larger cutting area with a slightly smaller Horsepower engine or get a sawmill with a slightly larger Horsepower engine and a slightly smaller cutting area? 

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« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2019, 03:31:58 AM »
most of the companies develop a relationship with the owners, and can tell you if there is someone near you who would be a good contact to see how the mill runs.  One problem you are running into is that people tend to love the mill they are using.  Most are good.  the answer to you last question depends on you. to be smart, I would say you want both, bigger is better.  hp lets you go faster and wider lets you cut bigger.  when you cutting wider you also need more hp.  some times starting out, it might be good to look for used and TK does take trades and refurbs a bit.  My mill has gone up 12 k since I bought it and so I will prob get out of it used as much or more than I paid.  depends on you finances and if this is going to be a money maker or a hobby.
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« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2019, 04:21:14 AM »
What size log do you plan on cutting?  Some areas seldom have logs over ~24", so a smaller sized mill is going to do the job, and the larger engine will cut them faster.  But if you have larger logs  then the smaller sized mill will be frustrating, no matter how much power it has. At least the larger capacity mill, even with less power, will get the job done. 

So the answer is "it depends", on exactly what YOU need to do. 

The ideal solution is the larger capacity AND bigger engine. But then you need to adjust the budget.
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« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2019, 04:28:34 AM »
  More capacity, you can put a bigger engine on later if needed.  Steve
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« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2019, 04:59:36 AM »
hey crooked, did you already answer questions about you goals and plans for the mill.  what kinda trees in south texas?  what town are you near.  If you call timberking and ask for Matt, he can tell you about mills nearby.  Or PM the owner Will who chimed in a post or 2 back.  If you are passing by Wichita you can stop by, or in KC you can tour the office and see a mill in person.  A deposit can lock in the price and they throw in some blades ect. as part of the deal.  If you care to fill out your profile we can direct our questions/answers more to your situation.  and why is everyone else up so late?  I am working!!!  @ladylake    @Ianab   @Crookedkut 
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« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2019, 05:07:04 AM »
I'm in New Zealand. It's only only 9pm (on a Saturday) here.  smiley_beertoast
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« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2019, 05:08:26 AM »
hey crooked, did you already answer questions about you goals and plans for the mill.  what kinda trees in south texas?  what town are you near.  If you call timberking and ask for Matt, he can tell you about mills nearby.  Or PM the owner Will who chimed in a post or 2 back.  If you are passing by Wichita you can stop by, or in KC you can tour the office and see a mill in person.  A deposit can lock in the price and they throw in some blades ect. as part of the deal.  If you care to fill out your profile we can direct our questions/answers more to your situation.  and why is everyone else up so late?  I am working!!!  @ladylake    @Ianab   @Crookedkut
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« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2019, 05:18:01 AM »
Well good morning and evening to all!! smiley_beertoast  04:20 am here, but I will have a beer when I get off at 07:00 am :D :) :D :) 8)
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« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2019, 06:22:27 AM »

 I'm up early.   Steve
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