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Deciduous conifer
« on: June 02, 2019, 11:31:48 PM »
This tree is on my favorite bicycle route. In a really nicely landscaped yard in Peoria, IL. Two things have caught my attention, first it drops all the needles in the fall, and I've not see anything with these soft lacy branches. My search lead to Golden Redwood, but not sure about the arrangement of the needles. Any help? Thanks

 




 

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Re: Deciduous conifer
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2019, 01:36:12 AM »
Looks like bald cypress to me? Although they naturally grow in swampy areas, they do OK in normal soil as an ornamental. 

This is a nice one growing in front of a friends house here in NZ. Start of winter here, so it's just loosing it's needles. 

 

Golden Redwood is a variety of Dawn Redwood, but I don't think you have that. 
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Re: Deciduous conifer
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2019, 05:02:54 AM »
I don't think the cypress would take the cold that far north. I suspect some kind of Asian cypress transplant maybe?
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Re: Deciduous conifer
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2019, 06:47:56 AM »
Very, very cypressey :)
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Re: Deciduous conifer
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2019, 06:55:06 AM »
There is a Chinese species of cypress that drops it's needles, but it's pretty rare, and doesn't look quite the same. Not sure how cold it gets where the OP is, but the local ones survive a bit of frost and snow, especially if they are are protected as seedlings. The list of deciduous softwoods isn't very long. Larches, and it's not one of them. About 3 species of cypress, dawn redwood, and ginko. As far as I know, thats all you get to choose from?
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Re: Deciduous conifer
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2019, 07:10:52 AM »
Looks just like the dawn redwoods in my front yard.
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Re: Deciduous conifer
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2019, 08:01:17 AM »
The leaves that low_48 posted look to be opposite.  I saw some trees in INdianapolis that looked for all the world like baldcypress to me but I was informed they were something else.  I am guessing Dawn Redwood, which have opposite leaves.



Metasequoia Like Taxodium distichum, dawn redwood (Metasequoia glyptostroboides) is a beautiful and fascinating tree. Earlier in the 20th century Metasequoia was thought to be extinct and was only known to botanists from fossil records. In the 1940s the species was identified in China. Although the tree is widely cultivated in the U.S. and elsewhere in the world, trees in the wild are rare and the species is considered critically endangered in its native habitat. Dawn redwood and baldcypress often appear quite similar and initially may be confused but there are several key traits that are useful for identification. The leaf arrangement of dawn redwood is opposite whereas baldcypress leaves have a spiral or alternate arrangement. Dawn redwood maintains a strongly pyramidal excurrent branch habit with fine branches. Bald cypress has a coarser branch structure and develops a broader crown outline with age. Other factors being equal, Metasequoia transplants more easily than Taxodium. Like baldcypress, dawn redwood is a fast grower (over 2' feet per year) and is a large tree that needs room to grow. The genus Metasequoia is monospecfic. Several sources report that most of the Metasequoia in the nursery trade descended from three seed sources collected in China in the late 1940s. Only a handful of cultivars are li
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Re: Deciduous conifer
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2019, 03:43:32 PM »
Looking closer the leaf pattern does look opposite, which points to dawn redwood.
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Re: Deciduous conifer
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2019, 09:04:22 PM »
Nice call, Kyle.
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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2019, 09:53:40 PM »
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Re: Deciduous conifer
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2019, 12:46:54 AM »
Thanks everyone. I rode by there twice today, I never see anyone outside. I'll knock on the door one day and talk to them, it's that pretty of a yard. 

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Re: Deciduous conifer
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2019, 04:32:01 PM »
Bald cypress grows naturally in the swamps of southern Illinois.  Im sure it can take the cold winters in Peoria IL.
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Re: Deciduous conifer
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2019, 05:02:32 PM »
here are pics of 3 we planted in ks.  bit-o-rain today.



 



 



 

not bald now since it is summer.  wish my head worked like that only opposite
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Re: Deciduous conifer
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2019, 05:30:39 AM »
Looks like baldcypress is natually occurring along the Ohio River valley. Dendro book says they have been planted farther north of it's range into Canada and can withstand -30F lows. Never woulda thunk it. :D
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Re: Deciduous conifer
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2019, 05:41:23 AM »
Aarggh...

Now those pics don't look like the opposite leaves any more.  ???

Trees will grow well outside their natural range, and maybe even become invasives. We aren't being  overcome with either Bald Cypress or Dawn Redwood here, but both seem to grow OK. 
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Re: Deciduous conifer
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2019, 05:47:45 AM »
It's possible in some cases, but not practiced around here. Horticulture, yes they do. And many unwary buyers have dead trees within 3 years or severe frost damage. Seed and resulting seedlings from forest production are chosen from similar latitudes and climates. So we may plant Norway spruce here (but very small numbers), experimentation over the years has proved that selection for site and latitude is far more productive and reliable and much better vigor and form. I've yet to see Norway spruce reseed itself. I have seen Scots pine do so, but they are very poor looking pine up here. :D
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