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Re: What to charge for milling tropical hardwood?
« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2019, 09:38:18 AM »
The post on rates to charge by Ianab was the best post re deciding on your rate.  What do you need an hour to cover the cost of the mill, consumables, etc, add a profit margin that you feel makes it worthwhile.  That's going to be your hourly rate and if that is $50 or $25 it doesn't really matter, it guarantees you your target profit margin if you have all your costs.  Don't forget to charge for your own labor before calculating profit.  If you can't make a decent profit then move on


I now the math, i did a business school back in Switzerland, i just wanted to know what's a going rate in the north. i thinking more like 40$/h now. that dust issue has me worried, i hate to work with masks and by our temps it's almost impossible to do.

We spoke to woodmizer Costa Rica and it seems that they have carbide bands awailable. today the bimetal blade arrives so i will give that a try first.
I can import anything from the states in 1-2 weeks. the time doesn't matter to much here. the customer just has to wait some more. nobody will move fast here!
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Re: What to charge for milling tropical hardwood?
« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2019, 09:44:53 AM »
Lastly, how goes the quarry?


well,.... we are still fighting! almost 6 years now. we presented final papers in the last gov agency, the mining agency, in January and we are going back and forth. they ask for some senseless papers, we provide. and it goes on and on. i'm close now, maybe 2 month, but that is what they told us 4month ago.  
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Re: What to charge for milling tropical hardwood?
« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2019, 10:07:29 AM »
The post on rates to charge by Ianab was the best post re deciding on your rate.  What do you need an hour to cover the cost of the mill, consumables, etc, add a profit margin that you feel makes it worthwhile.  That's going to be your hourly rate and if that is $50 or $25 it doesn't really matter, it guarantees you your target profit margin if you have all your costs.  Don't forget to charge for your own labor before calculating profit.  If you can't make a decent profit then move on


I now the math, i did a business school back in Switzerland, i just wanted to know what's a going rate in the north. i thinking more like 40$/h now. that dust issue has me worried, i hate to work with masks and by our temps it's almost impossible to do.

We spoke to woodmizer Costa Rica and it seems that they have carbide bands awailable. today the bimetal blade arrives so i will give that a try first.
I can import anything from the states in 1-2 weeks. the time doesn't matter to much here. the customer just has to wait some more. nobody will move fast here!
Oh, so rather than what to charge it is what is a normal charge in Canada?  So yeah $50/hour and north is normal.  Maybe a few guys are below $50.  One guy close to me charges $90..that's what I get for being close to DC.  Yeah, anywhere in the tropics will teach you to slow down.  Great that WM CR can get you carbides.  Super!
$40/hour should make her happy.
Cocobolo is just famous for having dust issues, not so much the toxicity but quantity.  The quantity of dust is what would concern me, seems it has short fibers that don't stay together well also maybe lots of silicon and and other compounds that might be issues.  That could be clogging bands, causing friction, heating blades, fouling cut, etc etc.  I'm sure no expert though.  
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Re: What to charge for milling tropical hardwood?
« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2019, 10:08:35 AM »
Lastly, how goes the quarry?


well,.... we are still fighting! almost 6 years now. we presented final papers in the last gov agency, the mining agency, in January and we are going back and forth. they ask for some senseless papers, we provide. and it goes on and on. i'm close now, maybe 2 month, but that is what they told us 4month ago.  (Image hidden from quote, click to view.)(Image hidden from quote, click to view.)
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Re: What to charge for milling tropical hardwood?
« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2019, 01:33:54 PM »
I charge $60/hour plus bands if they get damaged due to something other than wood in the wood.


What do you charge if the bands are damaged by wood in the wood? :D
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Re: What to charge for milling tropical hardwood?
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2019, 09:34:01 AM »
the wood mizer blade is the same thickness than my normal blades. 0.045" and the agent also told me that my sawmill is probably too small for that blade.
what i don't get is, if the kerf i need to cut is the same thickness why would the sawmill need more hp with different blades??
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Re: What to charge for milling tropical hardwood?
« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2019, 09:47:45 AM »
Which profile is it and what do you have for HP on your mill?  The carbide 7 from WM is not the deep gullet like the turbo 7 is so I agree with you there.  
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Re: What to charge for milling tropical hardwood?
« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2019, 10:11:35 PM »
my sawmill has a 600cc Honda with 20hp. 
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Re: What to charge for milling tropical hardwood?
« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2019, 10:27:12 PM »
If the logs are smaller then the HP requirements should be less too? Having 24" of band in the wood must need more power than only 12".
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Re: What to charge for milling tropical hardwood?
« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2019, 10:46:00 PM »
steeper cut angles take a more aggressive bite and would take more hp.  softer wood usually uses a lesser angle so it does not take more than the gullet can handle.  I use 7 degree on everything but I have a 38 hp motor.
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Re: What to charge for milling tropical hardwood?
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2019, 08:10:20 AM »
i'm pretty sure my mill will be sufficient, it won't be fast but a manual mill never is. The logs are small diam and very short so i just go slower if the hp's aren't sufficient
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« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2019, 11:02:24 PM »
ok, today i met with my client in her plantations, after arriving i ask, where are the trees??  here she told me,....  every 3m where a cocobolo tree with 2-4" diam. 
every here and there the are some with 8-12" and then there are some old grown ones with a nice 20+" diam.
so from the initial 3000trees she told me she has, 2800 are useless, maybe 200 are small/mid sized and 15 are nice trees. 
You have to understand that cocobolo is a very unregular tree, if you're lucky the main log will give you 7' and after that it's all branches with more curves than a mountain road.

I tried to explain here the basics of wood, timber and sawing. had to bring her down back to earth, she thought that 50 of the small trees will give a container load . I explained that she maybe gets one load of all the trees she has. 
after that she left and let me there with her right hand which is actually an old friend of mine. half in the conversation i knew that she was getting annoyed with me.

after she left we dropped a 10" tree and i took it home, the first log (3'long) had 4" of heart  

I did the test run with the bimetal blade and it works like a charm.

the employee told me that she does that some times but afterwards she calms down and is back to listening, the heck i have a strong character too, so we will see if something good comes out of all that.

But i learned that my sawmill is perfectly capable of milling the hardest wood and that i like the new bands. 
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« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2019, 07:12:49 PM »
Teak, you sure seem to have a good attitude.   Some of the experiences I gain I could do with out and wish I had never had to come to grips with them.  Banjo
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Re: What to charge for milling tropical hardwood?
« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2019, 08:46:18 AM »
well yeah, you have to learn disappointment here, normally it's just bla bla if anybody comes to you with a brilliant business idea. 
also if you sell something like a car or truck, half of the possible buyers don't even have the money but they still negotiating.

Didn't heard back from the client yet, so probably won't.
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