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« on: November 26, 2019, 11:37:37 AM »
Greetings Group,

I just purchased a new Woodmizer LT35HD, Im new to this, but have run a few cedar logs I had laying around with amazing results. My question is, how are most sourcing their wood? I have a wood lot, but thats another project I hope to get to soon, until then Im looking for logs. I have contacted a few tree guys who have shown interest in dropping things off as they have to pay right now for disposal, but I have yet to see anything show. Anyone have luck other ways?

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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2019, 12:58:47 PM »
Be careful. Eventually you may be better off paying something for logs you can use. Tree men can load up your yard real fast with stuff you don't want.

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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2019, 01:45:30 PM »
haha thanks for the tip, I did not think about it that way. Luckily I am friends with the guys I have talked to, but I will be leery on future requests. 

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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2019, 03:37:58 PM »
A few dollars to offset fuel/time for a tree service to deliver will help them remember you need logs, remember what kind of logs and how long you prefer the logs to be cut.  It also helps them remember not to bring tops and brush. If you are friends with the tree service guys, buy the crew a good lunch.  That goes a long way to getting logs you want.  It works for me.

Grading companies are a good source of logs especially when they have a few trees to remove.  I have good luck with a couple who will call me to come get logs.  They load them if I buck them to length.   In time you will start getting calls from people who will give you logs.

Facebook Marketplace is a good place to look for logs if you can pick them up.
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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2019, 03:41:44 PM »
Welcome to the Forestry Forum, johnnydeere99 and congrats on the new mill!
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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2019, 05:40:16 PM »
Knowing your location will go a long ways toward placing full value on your posts. Good luck with your new mill.
Knowing where & how you'll market those logs (once cut) that you don't have yet, is maybe a great first step?
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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2019, 07:57:41 PM »
   Congrats on the new LT35HD. Ditto on providing your location and more details. Be careful when sawing cedar not to stop up the sawdust chute. It is bad about that. Not a big problem just keep watching to make sure sawdust is coming out and if not stop and clean the fingers at the start of the exhaust hose.
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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2019, 08:22:50 PM »
Thanks for the tips guys. Iím up here in northern Maine, Iíll work on putting more info in my profile as I go along. Actually just got contacted by one guy today about bringing my tractor to a site with a bunch of logs. I guess I should be more patient.

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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2019, 09:28:11 PM »
I suppose you got the mill from Ross?
I would like some free logs too for my OWB.  Would save me the time cutting down my trees. But the trees I cut are no good for saw logs.
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2019, 03:45:15 PM »
While not for the sawmill, we chainsaw mill logs over 36Ē. Usually they are much bigger (6íwide at the stump and 9í+ where it starts to branch is a bigger one) and they are almost always free because most people donít have the saw to cut them up for firewood and donít have the equipment to move/haul it. We had a burr oak that was 60Ē at the base and 80Ē where we trimmed it to at 12í. A large front end loader couldnít Budge it and you could watch the front tires compress about 6Ē. The operator said the log was easily over 22,000 lbs. That one got slabbed there for 3 days before we could move it. All the logs we pick up are either by driving by or word of mouth. 

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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2019, 05:34:16 PM »
yup got it from Ross, and it looks like you a neighbors? I have a load of logs I am going to pick up on Monday which I am excited about. Looks like Ill have a good amount of wood to work on getting the training wheels off.

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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2019, 07:41:35 PM »
Oh no,Ross is on the bad side of Chesterville. :D :D Or that is what I tell him when I see him. I am on one side of Chesterville,the good side, :D and he's on the other side of Chesterville,the bad side. I own land in two towns and 2 counties.
I had my land logged and they was twitching white pine out of Fayette and bringing into Chesterville. For some reason there was a quarantine on white pine in Kennebec County,none in Franklin where Chesterville is.A phone call to the state forester made it all good.
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2019, 10:05:57 PM »
Iím up here in northern Maine


Where about?
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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2019, 10:58:48 AM »
Here's my experience with "free" logs.  I worked with an outfit in Newark, NJ that sourced all their logs from tree guys.  They weren't allowed to charge for the material, as that would have made them a dump site.  Tipping fees were about $135/ton.  So, they got logs in all sorts of shapes, sizes and species.  

The business plan was to use urban logs, at no cost.  They used labor from the local jail, also at a reduced cost.  They would sell lumber to the local market and save money in transportation costs.  Their problem was in production, sales and training the help.

At first, their yard looked fairly decent.  This was their receiving area.  Tree guys came in and dumped things on a pile.  All kinds of different sizes and shapes.  Many logs were shorter than 8', since many tree guys didn't have the necessary equipment to lift longer logs.  There were a few guys that had logging trucks and were stellar suppliers.  But, these piles of logs had to be trimmed, scanned for metal, and sorted.  



  

With a ton of work the yard started to look like this:

 

But, then you'll also have piles of logs that look like this:

 

That's wood waste and scrap logs that were destined for a boiler for kilns that was never built.  The big logs to the right were all shorter than 8', mainly 6-7'.  They were all pretty big.  You need decent sized equipment to move them.  The predominant species was pin oak and sycamore.

Then hurricane Sandy hit.  Suddenly, the influx of logs was overwhelming.  They had to rent even more equipment.  The piles of wood buried the yard.  Eventually, they had to shut off all deliveries, even from the good suppliers.  The entire yard looked like this:



 

There were some nice logs in that pile.  But, there wasn't enough time or area to go through them.  The owners would not sell any logs, which partially led to their downfall.  The amount of metal that got through the metal detectors was also overwhelming.  

Your situation may be a bit different.  You would have to know what your city limitations are.  We had quite a few restrictions.  But, with all the extra work of scanning and trimming, free logs ain't free.  Not to mention the big differential in specie selection.  Sometimes those species are good, sometimes they're not.
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2019, 08:21:48 AM »
In logs, you generally get what you pay for.  Tree guy logs can sometimes be good and sometimes be very bad.  Iíve never had any long term success getting a steady supply of quality logs from tree guys.  So I couldnít run a business with that supply.

I buy mine from loggers.   
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« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2019, 10:20:52 AM »
Thanks for all the input gentlemen, Im amazed at the response you can get on this forum. Seems like a great group of people. I will take this knowledge a run with it.

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« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2019, 12:15:40 PM »
Im amazed at the response you can get on this forum
This is not the ordinary forum.  The responses that you have gotten are very normal and what you can always expect here on the Forestry Forum. 
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« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2019, 12:38:53 PM »


I buy mine from loggers.  

Me too. You should see there faces when I tell them As you do, [they better be able to role on there own] :D ;) 

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« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2019, 06:52:59 PM »
In logs, you generally get what you pay for.  Tree guy logs can sometimes be good and sometimes be very bad.  Iíve never had any long term success getting a steady supply of quality logs from tree guys.  So I couldnít run a business with that supply.

I buy mine from loggers.  
I went through this years ago. The man power to metal detect and chainsaw work on mostly open grown logs is just too much. For lumber you need logs from the woods cut by loggers.

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« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2019, 04:01:43 AM »
Y'ever heard it said there ain't no such thing as a free lunch?
Logs are the same.
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