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Re: Cedar for use in sills?
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2005, 12:47:30 PM »
Recently at a builder's trade show here in MA, we saw a product called Warmboard.
I believe the web page is www.warmboard.com(click address for more info).

It seemed like the smart way to go when talking about new construction radiant heating.

They sent me a small sample of the product.

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« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2005, 12:59:46 PM »
That was the general idea. I guess I shoudl be quicker about patenting some things huh.....

I will certainly be looking harder at that product when the time comes.

Jim, your advice on books has been outstanding. Now can you aim me at one that has more info at the finishing of a frame (the outer skin)? I am interested in seeing how this is done, but the two books I have so far are very lite or non informational on this point.

For reference....I have "A timberframers Workshop" and "Building the Timber Frame House".

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Re: Cedar for use in sills?
« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2005, 01:24:39 PM »
That can vary depending on what type or style of enclosure system you want to use.

So, what do you want to use?

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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2005, 01:38:48 PM »
Exterior will be stone regardless whether this is a fascade or if it is solid throughthe walls in a slip formed fashion. I like low maintenance exteriors, and stone is very appealing. A little tongue and groove work over the front door entryway in a diagonal pattern will be about the max of my wood exterior.

Lots of windows on the south face fo rthe passive solar usage, and a nice steep pitched roof. I don't think I have a snow load here....if I do it is a very minimal value. The roof will be done in some of the newer metal shingles that resemble shake. I want to put it up and forget about it for the most part.

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Re: Cedar for use in sills?
« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2005, 04:02:12 PM »
Are you telling me all four walls will be stone?

And are you going to insulate? Walls and roof or just one or the other?

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« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2005, 04:15:44 PM »
I had planned on insulating all of it (roof, and walls). I suppose I will have to draw up something like what I am talking about here so as not to be so confusing.

Down here, with the stick builders, brick is a fascade (sp?). the exterior is skinned in plywood, and the brick is laid up next to the plywood with mortar tags tacked to the plywood skin. I am assuming I will have to do the same thing to the exterior of my frame here as I want the full timbers exposed in the house.

I see the cord-wood pics here, and it would appear that the fill was done right in the frame. I could go this route, but prefer not to. I realize that I am building a second frame around the timbers, but since the second frame will not be structural in nature I am assuming that I will not be held so tightly to the building codes as far as spacing, and the like.

From what I have been able to gather from the books that I do have, the exterior of a timber frame is skinned in sheet-rock or tongue and groove panel boards. I like the panel board appearance better on the inside, but where do I go from there? Do I build out pockets on the outside of this, and fill with insulation, and skin in plywood to be covered in stone?

Lots of things left unanswered by the two books I have, but the ones I have were meant to teach the joinery, and calcs for the framing more so than the finishing of the building. This is where I am left with lots of questions.

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Re: Cedar for use in sills?
« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2005, 05:13:57 PM »
Some years ago I was involved with a project in Maine. It was a timber frame faced with stone and it had a thatch roof.
Here are some pictures of the stone facing:










I sent Frank an email asking him about his methods of facing this frame with stone.
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Frank:
Q:I have a someone that is interested in learning about facing a timber frame with stone, similar to the way you did your "model" home.
Did you insulate behind the stone? Or in a wall inside the frame?
Any detail drawings or any info would be helpful.
Can you tell me of a webpage address or any other info about doing this?

A: It is pretty simple.  The timber posts rest on pilasters formed on the inside of the foundation wall.  Then I used a 10 inch foundation wall with sips resting on the inside 4 inches and stone on the outside 6 inches.  This requires the sips to sit on top of the subfloor rather than being taken down to the sill.  I actually stepped down the foundation on the outside so that the stone met the finish grade.  The masons used a special fabric between the stone and sip to drain any weep-age.

Frank Purser of Windemere Homes, Saco, Maine.
 
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Re: Cedar for use in sills?
« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2005, 05:18:15 PM »
Gorgeous house! Perfect Jim! That is what I had in my head, but I am not the best at expressing myself sometimes.

Simply beautiful! Now can you ask him about loading that on a truck and shipping it to me in Alabama.......hahahahaa....

Thanks Jim,

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Re: Cedar for use in sills?
« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2005, 09:22:51 PM »
Doc:
If you are going to have a crawl space will it be poured conrete or masonary block?
If so, why not use some cedar boards (2x8's or so) as a plate between the concrete/block and your frame sills of less rot resistant wood. Sort of a double plate with the most resistant wood nearest the wet part.
It isn't uncommon to double plate where I am.
The first plate is usually Pressure Treated Pine and the second plate raises the basement ceiling just enough that the walls can be formed with 8 ft forms and the basement slab gets poured half on top of the footing. Then the walls are still good for a full 8 ft of Drywall. (sorry you call it sheetrock)
If need be, post me a personal email and I'll send a sketch... Jim Haslip

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Re: Cedar for use in sills?
« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2005, 12:54:17 PM »
Drywall, sheetrock.....depends on who you ask around here. Same difference.

I will send that email shortly as I would like that sketch.

Doc


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