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Learned a New Knot Last Week
« on: August 03, 2019, 08:29:47 AM »
The bowline's been a favorite of mine for a long time, but the problem with it is it isn't secure. It can come undone if the rope lashes around, or isn't 100% loaded. This improves it, and it's easy to tie. Not substantially different than the standard bowline.



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Re: Learned a New Knot Last Week
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2019, 04:16:37 PM »
The bowline's been a favorite of mine for a long time, but the problem with it is it isn't secure. It can come undone if the rope lashes around, or isn't 100% loaded. This improves it, and it's easy to tie. Not substantially different than the standard bowline.


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Looks like you take a regular bowline and run the end back up through?
How tough is it to untie after it's been loaded? One of the reasons I use a bowline is because it's easy to untie when I'm done.
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Re: Learned a New Knot Last Week
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2019, 04:37:09 PM »
I haven't tried it fully loaded yet, but it doesn't appear to jam more than the traditional bowline.

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Re: Learned a New Knot Last Week
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2019, 11:06:51 PM »
Interesting.  The fire service gave up the bowline for any kind of life safety years ago because of the reasons mentioned.  We can still use it to hoist things.  I’ll have to give this method a try.  Seems like a better way to make it safe.  Unfortunately for our use we would still have to tie a “safety” knot.
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Re: Learned a New Knot Last Week
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2019, 12:04:28 AM »
I get firefighters reference. The fire service is limited by accepted convention and training. When something goes wrong, everything is suspect and investigated, every piece of the rigging, every knot, the training of each person on scene. In every class I took that involved ropes, I got tagged as the 'knot fairy' because I knew my ropes work. I helped all the other guys come up to speed so we could move on to the evolution's. For timber rigging work, I stay away from the bowline because when it gets really loaded, I can't get it apart. I stick with the figure 8 series of knots which most firefighters who are trained in low angle rescue or swiftwater rescue learn. These are good strong knots and serve me well and I can get them apart almost always except when I really push the load. I have one I have not been able to untie for 2 years, but it was a straight figure 8, not on a bight.
 I will give this knot a try, never too old to learn something new.
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Re: Learned a New Knot Last Week
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2019, 04:28:33 PM »
Figure 8 or double figure 8 has always been my goto knots. I was on the high angle rope team.

But still need to be backed up by a safety knot no matter how much we all know they will not move.


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