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Re: Felling Saws
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2002, 12:13:09 AM »
I run a stock 046 mag and it does o.k. would be nice to get a little more power out of it but I get paid by the hour! Actually if I used it for mainly falling I would get it hopped up but the saw is being asked to do  three things. Limbing, bucking, and falling the bigger trees. By the sounds of things the 385xp should do me really good , haven't had a chance to try it yet though.

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Re: Felling Saws
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2002, 09:08:41 AM »
Rob
I have a couple of 084's and a new 088 out west getting worked over by Ken Dunn . The 084 is a little smaller than the 088's and the new 088 out of the box are kind of a turkey.If you are looking for a big gun, Try to find a used 084 or Sachs Dolmar 166

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Re: Felling Saws
« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2002, 09:19:13 AM »
Hey Seth how did the cant cutting go ???

               Later Rob..

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Re: Felling Saws
« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2002, 10:17:30 AM »
Rod
It went great.Here's a shot of me with Steve Melzers 088kd woods saw, 10x10 Apen cant 3 cuts 0:07 02

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Re: Felling Saws
« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2002, 11:20:18 AM »
Seth,

       Who's Rod I never met him  :D,cool pic nice 088KD,I've been debating on sending my 385 to Dennis or Dunn...

                  Later Rob....

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Re: Felling Saws
« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2002, 11:29:25 AM »
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Sorry I don't know rod ethier. I am tryin to post some pictures but having  problems

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Re: Felling Saws
« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2002, 11:41:41 AM »
Seth,

Instructions for posting pictures can be found here.

http://www.forestryforum.com/tips/tips.cgi?display:1021999910-6825.txt

the path you are using is to your computer. Not to a picture on the internet.

Not sure how Rob saw your picture unless he hacked into your computer. ;D
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Re: Felling Saws
« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2002, 12:00:29 PM »
I'm pretty sure saw his picture's on another board...but I'm not gonna say which one  ;D

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Hack into someones computer,I barely know how to use one ;D

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« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2002, 12:55:43 PM »
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Thank you 044 with a 24" Cannon &  034Av Super 24" Cannon

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Re: Felling Saws
« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2002, 01:38:43 PM »
Hey, no chaps, no eye protection, no hearing protection that I can see.

10x10 Apen cant 3 cuts 0:07

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Re: Felling Saws
« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2002, 02:41:47 PM »
I think I like Kevin's outlook on chainsaws better than the split second sawing of a 10" cant.  Not that sawing little blocks off of a cant might not be fun but Kevin works with these big saws in the air and on the ground.  He's developed a real appreciation for what a saw will do and wears safety equipment from head to foot. It even follows over into his milling operation.

It takes a lot more gumption than I have to stick a big chainsaw into a horizontal tree expecting to get boards out of it.

Not too long ago he was encouraging me to wear ear protection along with several others on the board.  They were right.  When the hearing is gone, it's gone. The same can be said for a leg an arm or a neck.  I think if I were to be using a chainsaw in an attack mode, I would be protected to the hilt like Kevin does.

I guess I miss the importance of a souped up chainsaw.  It seems to me that it is a lot more important to be able to take a tree down dropping it on a dime, leave a flat, short stump and do it with as much safety as precision.  

There is an instance on the board right now where some of the more experienced loggers are concerned about a members chainsaw use.  He will learn something from them if he listens but the real concern is his safety.  Cutting a leaning tree is not only an art that needs to be learned but is seldom done without equipment or ropes available.  It's the thinking part of a "falling' job that intrigues me the most.  The really good guys approach a tree as if it were a chess game.  There are all kinds of stresses they have to recognize, even in a tree that is on the ground.  Loaded limbs and raised trunks and root balls.  

I guess souped up saws may be fun but it just seems to me to be analagus to spinning doughnuts in the street with the family car.

I like the way Kevin approaches saws best.
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Re: Felling Saws
« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2002, 03:49:48 PM »
Tom
lumberjack sports is my hobby and chainsaw racing is part of that. those saws in the pic are woods saws not hotsaws.I do have a nother pair of Swede pro chaps on the way form Ohio and usually where them. In's&out's of directional falling
it to is important to have a sharp saw that cuts fast and enough snort to bore (leaners and frozen stems).



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Re: Felling Saws
« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2002, 03:51:45 PM »
I can't say I'm speaking from much experience, but it is my understanding that the quicker you can make that final cut, the safer you are, especially where leaning stresses are involved. Also if you can make a smaller saw work harder, and cut faster, it seems you might get less fatigued than if you were wrestling with a heavier saw or an underpowered one.
Just a thought,
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Re: Felling Saws
« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2002, 03:56:06 PM »
Every chainsaw manual has several pages of safety precautions printed in them because of accidents caused from carelessness or from ignorance of just not knowing.
We tend to forget these rules from time to time and must be reminded periodically.
When one person gets hurt with a chainsaw it effects everyone in one way or another.
It`s the resposibiliy of the people that know to educate the ones that don`t .
Get the safety gear and wear it, there are no excuses for not using it.
Once you get cut it`s too late to put the stuff on.


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Re: Felling Saws
« Reply #34 on: October 06, 2002, 04:03:54 PM »
Nice felling pics Seth,I prefer the Husky protective logger pants instead of chaps

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Re: Felling Saws
« Reply #35 on: October 06, 2002, 04:30:14 PM »
Rob
I have never seen the Husky pants nor have I ever ran a Husky saw,The swedepro chaps are full ankle wrap and ul approved. Jeff Sikama can get good deals on them.The same as Stihls chaps but without the logo. Chaps are made so that they fill the tooth when the chain comes in contact with the chap reducing the injury but not always stopping it. The racing chap has a double leg(right) for the higher chain speed with high tooth count sprockets. Seth

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Re: Felling Saws
« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2002, 05:00:03 PM »
What are chaps made from that will fill the chain.  Does that mean that the chain doesn't stop, it just won't cut because the teeth are filled or does the material actually stall the saw?

What can someone use to protect from kickback?  I know......not letting a saw kick is the best way, but if it did kick, it could take your head off or do a wonderful job of bisecting a juglar vein.  Is there a vest made to protect ones neck?  How hot is this stuff?  Do professionals not wear it because it is uncomfortable?  

I guess the everyday chainsaw operator doesn't own much safety gear because the saw is not their everyday tool.  I trim stubbs from logs for the sawmill and seldom do that. Cutting logs to length and squaring ends is the bulk of my use. If I were to have to split many logs, I suppose chaps would be in order.  I've gotten to where I really like the hardhat/earmufflers that my wife bought for me. Perhaps if I broke down and bought chaps, I would stop long enough to put them on.  It's probably a good idea.

George,
It does make sense to have a saw that is up to the job, but I wonder if a hopped up saw is as important as a dependable one and a feller that knows what he is doing.  I've been told that the hinge is the most important "last cut' and you don't cut it but let it guide the tree.  If you cut the tree loose from the stump before it is totally committed, it will go where the elements send it.  It is more important to commit the tree and then use your exit path.  I hate to get logs with split and misshapened butts on the sawmill too. They cause me lost boards and wasted time as I have to square them to keep from damaging the mill and to make the board stacks even.

I like your profile picture.  :D :D
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Re: Felling Saws
« Reply #37 on: October 06, 2002, 05:01:11 PM »
Seth,
Who sets the rules with regard to safety in the hot saw events?
Is there a governing body?

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« Reply #38 on: October 06, 2002, 05:41:42 PM »
 Kevin,There are many lumberjack associations. But basic rules are eye,hearing protection and chaps usually layered with ballistic nylon. 084 stock woods saw with 42" Cannon bar


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« Reply #39 on: October 06, 2002, 06:38:10 PM »
Seth,

     I have a couple set's of chaps and a pair of Husky logger pants,I just wanted to buy a pair of the Deluxe pant's.Thanks for the heads up on Jeff I should get another set of chaps anyway the ones I have now are about junk...
Nice 084 how do you like those Cannon bars??
                  Later Rob..


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