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Need advice on a truck to move logs and......
« on: November 30, 2005, 05:04:03 PM »
For the last year or so. I've been looking for a good old truck to move some logs with...

I've just about narrowed my choices down to these two trucks pictured below...

This one is a Ford 700 with a boom


The Ford from the working side...looks like I could add a grapple ???


This one is a Chev C60...Tip back with a Ramsey 12,000 lb. winch, new goodwrench motor and clutch...tires are shot though :(


Could you share your opinions with me on which style would be the better choice for moving logs and things around the farm and the local counties....
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Re: Need advice on a truck to move logs and......
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2005, 06:00:29 PM »

 Much as I dislike Fords, I DO like Boom trucks.

  Looks like dat Chebby might get light on the front with a big Whack-O-logs ;D ;D
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Re: Need advice on a truck to move logs and......
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2005, 06:02:45 PM »
I would go for the boom truck if it was my choice. Can do more things with a boom.

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Re: Need advice on a truck to move logs and......
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2005, 06:04:14 PM »
Both should work great but I would probably go with the Chevy since it has the tilting bed.  Lots of benefits with that, which may come in handy in the future....................but then again loading would be done by dragging them up the ramp with the winch and that will take longer than using the boom.  It would sure come in handy on grabbing a broke down car, which you couldnt do to easy with the boom on the Ford  ;D

How long of a reach does the boom have?  

New motor and clutch is a plus on the Chevy as is the cost of repairs.  Ford seems to have great stuff but when it breaks bring the bank with you.

If the winch breaks down its a cheap replacement or fix.  What would it cost to fix or repair, replace stuff on the boom?  

The Chevy gets my pick for now.

What year are they?

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Re: Need advice on a truck to move logs and......
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2005, 06:44:12 PM »
In my opinion, it depends on where you get the logs from. If you can always pull up next to them, or at least easily get them next to the truck, I'd go with the boom. I am partial to booms, but in my situation, I pick up alot of logs from many different locations and find that a winch (I have one on a flatbed trailer) is much more versatile and the tiltbed is even more of a help,
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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2005, 06:47:45 PM »
my guess would be around '69  and '78

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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2005, 07:20:18 PM »

 Mount a winch on dat boom.  ::) ::) ::) ;D
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Re: Need advice on a truck to move logs and......
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2005, 07:33:21 PM »
My 2 cents would be to get the boom truck. With winch truck you can only load one "layer" of logs but with boom you can stack them up as high as weight limits will allow.
Or do what FDH suggest and mount a winch on the boom.
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Re: Need advice on a truck to move logs and......
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2005, 07:53:01 PM »
 One thing that might make up your mind for you is insurance.  check on what it will cost for both trucks.

I took a dump truck off of the road because of the high insurance rates.  My straight flat bed is very reasonable.
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Re: Need advice on a truck to move logs and......
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2005, 05:57:34 AM »
As much as I like Kirk, I couldn't agree less. The boom can stack and stack. The boom looks like a HIAB, I almost bought one like that about two years ago, it looked well built and was simply designed (a plus). And the ford /chevy thing well, I am a ford man so no brainer there. Sorry Kik,I know you have had good luck with your Suburban (flukes do happen)  ;D

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Re: Need advice on a truck to move logs and......
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2005, 07:55:15 AM »
Given the choice of the two. I would definately pick the boom for what you want to do.  Aside from hauling logs you will be able to do a lot more around your property with the boom truck.
As far as chevy vs ford in my humble opinion a truck is a truck. Just make sure the engine and running gears are ok.
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Re: Need advice on a truck to move logs and......
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2005, 08:10:09 AM »
imo, Kind of apples to oranges.

The Ford is meant to be used as a real work truck, long wheel base, outriggers, boom, probably has at least a 25K GVW. How much the boom is rated for is the big question and if it can be equippped with a winch or grapple.

The Chevy is a short wheel base with a slightly longer frame with a rollback. Just pretty much a car hauler. It looks like if you put a load of 16 footers on that, the vast majority of the weight will be behind the rear wheels. Not so good. Chevy is probably not rated for more then 17K or so.

Personally, I would like a rollback for my type of work, just to pull on a single big log. I do not think the rollback would be good for multiple logs. Though if you did firewood deliveries by the cords it might be the better choice for unloading, though loading (tossing) it might be a pain.

With a boom you can grab a pallet of firewood to load and unload.

The Chevy will probably drive much smoother, have power steering, probably shift easier, though it might be more expensive to repair/run.

The Ford will be ... a Ford. Dead simple to work on, will not cost a lot to operate, probably the FT series engine and will last forever. Will have a bulky feel shifter (by today's standard), probably no power steering, and oh yea, its going to have rack and pinion steering along with A/C  - yea, right. Creature comfort is not a phrase used in Ford's sales catalog for that F700  :D

If you like Chevy /foreign type vehicles, the Ford might wear thin after a while if you do a lot of highway driving. If you like Fords, then either one probably will do.

Though you forgot to qualify it by the two most important questions, GVW and how much for each one?

The Ford is probably $2k-3k if it runs nice, the Chevy is probably at least $5k being a later model rollback?

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Re: Need advice on a truck to move logs and......
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2005, 08:26:54 AM »
Not an issue around the farm but that single axle Ford may be too close to it's GVWR to be hauling logs on the road. I ran into that problem with a similar International so the company got a tandem but then we did not enough people available with a class 3 and air endorsement.
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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2005, 09:28:10 AM »
OK Ried, we will agree to disagree.......................this time. 

I am so sorry your a Ford person.  I understand the emotional attachment and respect your perogative to drive a piece of #@$%  ;D    All you Ford lovers just back off for now because this is between Reid and I ;D

Still lots of questions though  ;D
GVW of each truck
Cost of each truck
How many logs in a typical load?  For me it is USUALY three or four logs...................excetp recently  :D ;D 8)
Ford Parts are typically more expensive than Chevy.
Chevy has a new engine - Whats in the Ford and how many miles?

I have nothing against the Ford with the Boom and I am wanting to put a Boom on my trailer.........IF IT WASN"T SO EXPENSIVE ;D  I was going to put one on my Dads F600 but that truck also had a dump bed so I had best of both worlds.    Now I need a motor for the F600.  Jasper wants $2500 to rebuild it.  I could put a new crate motor in for $1500 if it was a Chevy.   ;D



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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2005, 10:07:16 AM »
I have this almost uncontrollable urge to use my censored words option on the forum and have every instance of Chevy turn into Ford and every instance of Ford turn into Chevy.  ;D
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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2005, 10:18:16 AM »

 In DAT case, too bad dere ain't an ole "Binder" choice throwed in. Best truck EVER built.  ;) 8) 8) 8)
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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2005, 10:50:01 AM »
For the Record!  I own a Chevy, Ford, and a Dodge!  So before anyone wants to pick a fight think long and hard  ;D :D :o

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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2005, 10:55:55 AM »
wal now kirk I see the chevy runs I know dat da ford dunt how bout the binder  ;D
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Re: Need advice on a truck to move logs and......
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2005, 11:11:47 AM »
First off I agree with FDH, if you want a serious truck find an international.  Now as too which one?  Let me give my advice for the two cents it's worth.  I recently had a two ton international with a 20' flatbed.  I traded a homade band saw head to a buddy for a resaw.  Replaced hood and doors on truck with used ones form local utility company and truck was in very good condition.  Utility co also had an old Chevy Boom truck that I bought for $1000.  It had a RO stinger boom not a knuckle boom  as the ford on your pic.  Then knuckle type would problably be better for handling logs but has very little reach.  Mine had 45' of reach.   Several things to consider.
1.  As tom said check your insurance!!!  I sold my truck as I could'nt afford $3-4,000 year liabilty just to haoul a few logs.

2.  I don't know what your using to skid your logs out of the woods to a landing but looks like you won't be able to reach very far out with the knuckle boom.  As I  said mine had 45" reach and this proved to be too short several times.

3.  Check the capacity of the crane at its farthest reach.  I am just guessing here but that carane looks to me to be a Pittman crane designed for tire trucks.  If it is I have looked at several of these and the capacity is low.  you would only be able to pick up larger logs right against the truck.  Even then I doubt if it would pick up a 24"x16' oak log.

4. Check the crane over VERY WELL for any cracks or repair welds.

As to the ford or chevy, they all make good ones and they all make bad ones.  Good Luck. ;)
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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2005, 11:58:08 AM »
tnlogger, my Ford car is running but not the truck ;D  I lean towards Chevy personally but who wouldnt with almost 500,000 miles on a Suburban 8)


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