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Turkey Hunting?
« on: October 02, 2002, 07:18:46 PM »
   I'd like to take an informal survey.  

  With fall turkey season about 2 weeks away here in W.NY. I've been having quite a debate with the local folks about using a dog to hunt turkeys with.  

   Everybody that I"ve talked to says that they have never of heard of it.  NY State allows the use of a dog for the fall season only.  

  What I would like to find out is,  is the use of dogs for turkey hunting common in your area and if it is what kind of dog would be used?

   I realize that this question should be placed on a hunting forum, but, I would value the replies of the members this forum more.

   If you care to reply, I would appreciate knowing what area you're from and any opinions you have about using a dog for this purpose.  Thanks,  Brian...
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Re: Turkey Hunting?
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2002, 07:25:07 PM »
Brian,
I've never heard of hunting turkey with dogs.  The biggest thing about turkey hunting is stealth.  You have to be still, and quiet. It helps to be able to "call" and lots of hunters are into a lot of camo.  When Granddad taught me, he sat me down at the base of a cypress tree in a hammock and said "Don't Breathe".

A Turkey might look like a dumb bird but he's pretty smart and one out-of-the-way sound will have him ducking his head and high-tailing it out of there.  They are fast runners too.  He'll be there one minute and all of a sudden be gone.

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Re: Turkey Hunting?
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2002, 07:48:08 PM »
G'day Brian,

We have dogs here that are trained to retrieve ducks, once you have shot them 'on the wing'.
Never heard of dogs for turkeys.
Now hunting wild pigs with dogs - that I know about!  Adrenalin plus!
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Re: Turkey Hunting?
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2002, 08:01:58 PM »
For those who don't know,  Hammock:  a fertile area in the southern U.S. and especially Florida that is usually higher than its surroundings and that is characterized by hardwood vegetation and deep humus-rich soil  *also Hummock  ;D
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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2002, 08:03:44 PM »
Missouri has a fall turky season but only a fraction of hunters compared to the spring season.
In the spring, calls and stealth are used.
In the fall, the turkys are scattered off of their roost and then shot as they try to get back together.
I don't see a role for a dog in either case and have never heard of anyone using one.

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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2002, 08:08:08 PM »
G'day Tom,

Aww, you spoiled my minds picture of you lying there in your 'hammock' ((A hanging, easily swung length of canvas or heavy netting suspended between two trees or other supports and used as a seat or bed.)), listening to your Granddads wisdom!  ;) :D ::)
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Re: Turkey Hunting?
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2002, 08:12:17 PM »
I have seen dogs used in turkey hunting here  in Michigan. Michigan Outdoors ran a segment a couple years or so ago.

The dogs, if I remember were labs. The way it works is that the dogs are only used to find the flock of turkeys and flush them. At this point you just let them go. You then leash the dog, camo him and you and sit down. The dog is kept quiet and still. You need a pretty well trained dog.

Turkeys have the habit of always returning to the point of flush to regroup the flock. You sit and wait until the turkeys return then try to get a shot at the appropriate bird.
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2002, 08:15:32 PM »
KC, I like your picture.  Maybe I'll try that one day. :D  That would be the "Southern Way" :D :D

I remember hearing about that now that you mention it Jeff.  Don't know where though.   I think I would rather find the turkey's roost and go back the next day and get me one when he/she got out of it to feed.  Granddad used # 8's in a 12 guage and made head shots at about 20 or 30 feet..
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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2002, 10:52:33 PM »
We hunt turkey twice a year in Texas, I usually bag one ButterBall per holiday.  The dog gets the left overs.
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Re: Turkey Hunting?
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2002, 11:20:21 PM »
SE Minnesota reintroduced the turkey to this area in 1972 with some wild turkeys from Pennslyvania. They took hold and we now have quite a population of turkey here. I've never seen or heard of anyone here hunting turkey with a dog. Here, they use a lot of camo, find a place to sit and are very still and quiet. This is the first time I've ever heard of anyone using a dog for turkey hunting.  

I really don't believe that camo is necessary as long as a person is very still. Camo might help disguise or hide movement, but I believe it is movement that scares away turkey and ducks.

My granddaddy once sat me down at the base of a palm tree (down in Florida) and said, don't move a muscle 'cause those turkey can even hear your eyeballs squeek. I got my first turkey that day.  
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Re: Turkey Hunting?
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2002, 02:44:02 AM »
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Do you hunt hogs down ther?   Do you ever talk on the Boar Dogs Forum?   I have been a hunting dog breeder (Catahoulas) for 20 years so I know a ton of hog dog people!
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Re: Turkey Hunting?
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2002, 10:40:09 AM »
     Thanks for the replies so far.  I just want to say that my request for info. is not because I have nothing better to do!  I'm collecting this info.for a very important project that I'm involved in :P .  I need this info. from as many people and locations as possible.

    Jeff,  Thank you for describing the method of using the dog and the breed. Did you see the dogs actually being used to flush out the turkeys?  If so,  What was your impression of the event?

     Thanks,  Brian...  
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2002, 01:05:57 PM »
Well, it looked like the dog was having fun. It wasnt anything other then the dog charging the flock and getting it to go up quick. I think the advantage of a dog is just that. A human walking might just push the turkeys on the ground where as the dog covers a lot of ground and gets them in the air.

I don't even think the dogs were smelling out the turkeys, they just simply cover more ground.
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Re: Turkey Hunting?
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2002, 08:30:17 PM »
In the town i live in you can not use a dog or a gun for hunting  just you and a bow and arrow.
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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2002, 08:41:08 AM »
Well, I like to eat turkey too.  I'm not a turkey hunter so I have to bag my butterball turkeys at the local store like most everyone else   :).

Jeff,  

Hunting turkeys with dogs in my area is unheard of.  To quote the local gun - hunting store owner and turkey hunter,  " It just is not done around here, never of heard of it."   Anyways,  several days ago I witnessed  a dog flushing out about 25 to 30 turkeys in some heavy brush.  It was not a pretty sight.  The owner of the dog was training it to hunt turkeys. I'm not against hunting, but.... .      
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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2002, 09:21:17 AM »
The segment I saw was not horrific. It simply showed the dog charging in and the turkeys going up. The dog didnt touch a turkey, and I am not sure he tried. It was more of a merry thing. "Dute-da-dute-da-dute I'ma goona chase me some turkeys" with a full tail wag.  :)

It sounds like a difference in training to me. Kinda like one guy teaching his dog to bark at a disturbance, while the other guy teaches his dog to bite.

Our Australion Shepherd, I am convinced, would give his life for us, yet if he finds a mouse in the yard he will follow it around and herd it, and let it go when he is bored.

I think whether hunting turkeys with dogs is good or bad falls on the individual hunter. Some guys are just slobs no matter what they do. Cant blame it on the dog.
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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2002, 10:28:41 AM »
Dogs tend to do what they are trained to do to please their master.  I don't think Turkey hunting would benefit by sending a dog after them but I could be wrong.  

Is it the manner in which the Dogs treated the turkeys that bothers you?  Were the Dogs actually being used as the weapon?  I can see how that could annoy a sportsman minded individual but, by the same token, I can understand the sport. (not that I would partake.)

Have you ever seen what happens to Catch Dogs in a Hog Hunt?  You probably wouldn't like that either.  The sport of Falconry can be pretty graphic as well.  

Then there is the Dog-in-the-henhouse concept which leads to the demise of a lot of dogs.

If the sport of hunting turkey turns out to be like a dog-in-the-henhouse then I'm sure that it won't last long.

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Re: Turkey Hunting?
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2002, 06:48:18 PM »
Yeah, I'm all for hunting.  Although I no longer hunt, I encourage folks to hunt my land esp. for deer.  

It's just that I have never seen a dog used to flush turkeys.  I suppose if the turkeys where in a more open area such as a field or a thinned out woods when the dog flushed them I would feel differently.  25 to 30 turkeys trying to take flight in heavy brush with a dog aggressively pursuing them was definately not a pleasant sight. Dog in the henhouse describes it clearly except for the killing. I can't imagine how anyone can consider this sporting. I'm just curious on how common this type of turkey hunting is.
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« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2002, 02:10:45 PM »
G'day Andy,

I dont have pig dogs, just go out sometimes with a few mates when they go.  Mostly hold/bail stuff, till you get there with your knife.
Its quite popular here, lots of wild areas to hunt in.
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« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2002, 09:34:55 AM »
Dogs may be used in Michigan for turkey hunting as Jeff stated, but during the fall to locate and break up flocks.

This months issue of the Michigan Out-Of-Doors magazine has an article on fall turkey hunting. Page 40 has a picture of a turkey hunter with a "bagged" turkey over his shoulder with the caption " In the fall, Michigan turkey hunters may use dogs to locate and break up flocks for call-back".

The dog appears to maybe be a german shorthair.

I'm sure that the ardent and experienced turkey hunters that I know would frown on this method however.
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