The Forestry Forum is sponsored in part by:

iDRY Vacuum Kilns


Forestry Forum
Sponsored by:


TimberKing Sawmills



Toll Free 1-800-582-0470

LogRite Tools



Norwood Industries Inc.




Your source for Portable Sawmills, Edgers, Resaws, Sharpeners, Setters, Bandsaw Blades and Sawmill Parts

EZ Boardwalk Sawmills. More Saw For Less Money!

STIHLDealers.com sponsored by Northeast STIHL


Woodland Sawmills

Peterson Swingmills

 KASCO SharpTech WoodMaxx Blades

Turbosawmill

Sawmill Exchange

Michigan Firewood, your BRUTE FORCE Authorized Dealer

FARMA


Baker Products

ECHO-Bearcat

iDRY Wood Lumber Vacuum Drying for everyon

Nyle Kiln Dry Systems

Tally-I/O




Author Topic: Hunting Sportsmanship  (Read 9269 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Forester Frank

  • Full Member
  • **
  • Posts: 97
  • Age: 55
  • Gender: Male
  • The race is not always to the swift..., but to those who keep running.
    • Share Post
    • G.P.  Gaylord Woodlands
Hunting Sportsmanship
« on: November 16, 2000, 03:38:29 AM »
It's the 2nd day of MI rifle deer season and I find myself working instead of hunting, something I have always enjoyed (hunting). I may be classified as a disgruntled hunter and it is mainly due to other hunters.

I used to think of hunters as sportsman and conservationists - at least that's what my father taught me. Never shoot anything you will not eat; obey the laws; be safe; know what you are aiming at before you shoot; be respectful of other hunters and people in the forest. Lesson learned.

Today, I find that hunters have this "Grab as much as you can for yourself,and screw the other guy" attitude. There seems to be no regard for private property. Hunters pass through fence and posted signs as if they weren't even there. On state land I find that there is no longer mutual respect for other hunters and the area they are hunting.

As a hunter I am a traditionalist - I sit in a ground blind made of natural materials. Not a shanty or mini-polebarn. No overhead cover except for a pine bough. No heater or mini-stove. I scout the area looking for sign before the season, not opening day. I hunt the runways, not the bait pile. When I shoot I make sure I have a good, clean shot. Or I don't shoot.

I sit still and stay put instead of talking and walking around by 8:30 a.m. For the last five years I have had other hunters walk up to me during the first days of the season and ask, "Did you see anything"? "Uh -  no. Just other hunters walking around", I reply.

Baiting for deer is banned now, but it still is occuring, despite issues concerning TB. I have no problem with dumping a bucket of apples out during bow season to attract a buck within range of your bow, but to dump loads and loads of sugar beets, carrots, corn, apples, hershey bars (kidding), you get the point though.

I know there are still a lot of good hunters out there, that respect the land and the game. I would just like to see a return to sportsmanship, honesty, and ethics. That would be a good lesson to pass on to younger hunters.

I'll wait for your comments.
Forester Frank

Jeff

  • Guest
Re: Hunting Sportsmanship
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2000, 08:12:40 AM »
Frank,
I find myself losing interest in hunting for many of the reasons you have touched on. I will have more to say on this later. I want to think before I spout.

Offline Ron Scott

  • Forester
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 8154
  • Age: 84
  • Location: Cadillac, MI
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: Hunting Sportsmanship
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2000, 03:24:12 PM »
Frank,I agree with your way of hunting as the preferred. The "new breed" have become shooters and not hunters. No hunting skills required, just buy the latest technology equipment that makes it easy and go to the woods.  Also too many "shooters"/acre in some woods this first week of rifle deer season.I stay away from those areas until maybe later in the season. Some of the private lands of absentee owners I work have had a lot of unnecessary trespass and destruction from uncaring hunters.    
~Ron

Offline Forester Frank

  • Full Member
  • **
  • Posts: 97
  • Age: 55
  • Gender: Male
  • The race is not always to the swift..., but to those who keep running.
    • Share Post
    • G.P.  Gaylord Woodlands
Re: Hunting Sportsmanship
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2000, 10:54:21 AM »
Jeff and Ron:

Thanks for the feedback. Now back to the woods.

Forester Frank
Forester Frank

donbickley

  • Guest
Re: Hunting Sportsmanship
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2000, 07:58:24 PM »
Frank, Jeff, Ron,
  GREAT philosophy there! I totally agree as well. We all have stories, and I will tell you mine.
  I was never much into hunting other than capturing them on film. However, I decided to get more into it. Bought a 30.06 with scope, recoil pad, hard case, the works. Other than when I hunted some as a kid, this was to be my first "adult" hunting experience.
  I did the scouting, found myself a nice natural "blind", and was just about an icesickle (pardon the spelling) when I heard what sounded like a cougar behind me. It was, in actually, a doe staring right at me. We DO have cougars up here in the U.P. by the way. Seen one, and have tracks on video tape.
  Anyway, a change of drawers and a day later, I took my son, 13 at the time, out with me to a new location. We sat, talked, and although it was bitter, we had a great father/son outing. He was a real trooper. It was too dark to shoot (in my opinion), and we left for the Wrangler.
  As soon as we got there, it was so dark that I had to use my lighter to find the Jeep key. At that moment we heard a series of semi-automatic rifles. Sounded like a war zone! Now tell me... if I needed a light just to see which key I had in my hand, that those "hunters" (used loosely) had enough light to see what the heck they were shooting at!
  Never again will I take my son on public land. I value his life way more than having some venison on the table.
  I've since given up hunting due to the high kill-off of record cold, followed by another winter of record snows. Next year I shall hunt again. But it will be private land.
  Speaking of private land, real quick, I had this friend who found some hunter's pickup on his land. He took out his chain saw and fell a tree blocking their exit. Lord knows when (or how) they got out of there. Hope it was a lesson learned though ;)
Don

Offline Ron Scott

  • Forester
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 8154
  • Age: 84
  • Location: Cadillac, MI
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: Hunting Sportsmanship
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2000, 07:42:29 AM »
Don,
I've experienced the same several times and again this rifle season as getting into my vehicle at dark, 6-8 shots going off nearby. I guess some empty their rifles this way, and some even reload and empty again. They can't see what they're shooting at unless using night vision ssights. I'm also a 30-06 and scope person with two Ruger Model 77's.

I'm also familiar with the UP cougars and read the Iron River Reporter's Cougar Report of cougar sightings articles by retired Outdoor Editor Ed Erickson. When I worked the UP woods back in the early 60's and it started getting dark back in the swamp, the stories of the "mystery cat" as the cougar was known then in the UP,every stump started playing on me as I left the woods. I did see a cougar cross the road in front of me between Republic and Channing several years back, quite close and I know what a cougar looks like as I've seen them in the wilds other places.

~Ron

donbickley

  • Guest
Re: Hunting Sportsmanship
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2000, 12:49:03 PM »
Ron,
  I meant to respond to your post sooner. Iron River's not far from where I saw the cat. It was on an old, unused logging road which goes from Nestoria to Amasa. Built back in the 70's I believe. About 2 miles before the highway, 5 miles north of Amasa, at about an hour before dark, I saw this large brown animal enter the brush in front of me. Although I didn't see the front half, the classic brown, long tail was visible. Only on kind of animal with those feature I saw ;)
  Up north of Three Lakes at Craig Lake I saw what I believe to be cougar tracks. They were about as long as a cigarette pack. No claw impressions so that rules out the local wolves.
  The DNR says they don't exist. Probably because they are an endangered species and they don't want people bothering them (MY guess), but capturing a photo of one of these cats would be GREAT though!

Offline Ron Scott

  • Forester
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 8154
  • Age: 84
  • Location: Cadillac, MI
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: Hunting Sportsmanship
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2000, 10:21:20 AM »
A good picture of the "cat" is what is needed for endorsement. There seems to be regular sightings, a reported dog kill, etc. with another recent sighting in that area. The Iron River Reporter and retired Outdoor Writer Ed Erickson's column "The Drummer's Log" has a cougar sighting reports section by Ed Klima. Ed Erickson's Outdoor Observations section can be emailed at drumlog@up.net. You may want to make contact with Ed to follow up on recent sightings etc. Do you read the Iron River Reporter newspaper? It has a good Outdoors Section for that local area.



~Ron

Offline BCCrouch

  • Full Member
  • **
  • Posts: 71
  • Location: Rochester, MI
  • Gender: Male
  • Conservative Conservationist
    • Share Post
    • BCC Home Page
Re: Hunting Sportsmanship
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2001, 01:20:13 PM »
As hemlocks shade out and acidify their competition into oblivion, so too do the shooters often eliminate the hunters.  Staring at a pile of carrots never has been my kind of hunting and I avoid it at all costs.  Unfortunately, my favored still hunting method can make for a dangerous outing.  Twice now I've caught fools using their scope to watch me move through the edge of a cedar swamp while on state land.  Haven't these nitwits ever heard of BINOCULARS?  It's not a comfortable feeling and now I restrict my still hunting activities to bow season.   :(
On the plains of hesitation lay the blackened bones of countless millions who, at the dawn of their victory sat down to rest, and resting, died.

Offline timberbeast

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 360
  • Gender: Male
  • I Got nothin' to say :o)
    • Share Post
    • Timber Buyers Network Contact Page
Re: Hunting Sportsmanship
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2001, 11:59:11 PM »
Stoll-hunting the cedar swamp (sometimes on all fours) will always be my favorite way to hunt,  but I am not adverse to throwing out a few cups of corn now and again,  just to tke an easy doe.  The buck-doe ratio is so bad in Marquette County,  it's ridiculous.  In my opinion,  this is due to night-hunters.  I'll shoot a doe over bait,  and I'd rather shoot a doe than a buck,  at least for now.  I've never seen a big buck at a bait pile anyway,  but then again,  I quit when I can't see my sights.  Had some guys parking on my property years back,  I didn't think to fall a tree,  but I threw them off,  they were only about 100 feet from the truck.  Next night they came back,  so I parked them in with my pickup.  I made them wait until I finished eating and went sauna before I let them out.  It was about midnight.  They never came back.
Where the heck is my axe???

Offline Bill Johnson

  • Forest Tech
  • *
  • Posts: 483
  • Age: 65
  • Location: Dobie. That's between Kirkland Lake and Quebec border
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: Hunting Sportsmanship
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2001, 06:09:56 PM »
Now that hunting season has started or is about to get underway shortly I think all of us who hunt should take a few moments to review the rules and regulations of whatever jurisdiction we hunt or plan to hunt in.

Remember to treat all firearms as if they are loaded at all times.

We have to wear blaze orange up here once moose season opens.

Respect private property, always get permission first.

Make sure you know what your target is before you squeeze the trigger.

If you are planning to come up to hunt in Canada, I'd advise you to check with Customs first to see if you need special paper work now that the new firearms legislation has been passed.

Booze and hunting Do Not mix. If you want to drink lock up your guns.

There's probably hundreds of other things to add but these are few that just came to mind

Safe Hunting.
Bill

Offline CHARLIE

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 3209
  • Age: 75
  • Location: New Richmond, Wisconsin 54017
  • Gender: Male
  • Don't wait 'til both feet are in hot water before you decide to put your best foot forward.
    • Share Post
    • Coulee Region Woodturners
Re: Hunting Sportsmanship
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2001, 08:49:50 AM »
I primarialy hunt ducks. I never hunt with anyone that doesn't put gun safety first. I never hunt with anyone that drinks while they are hunting. I never go hunting on opening day or on weekends. I used to hunt where you really had to want to hunt to get there. Slogging through pitch black forest and through slimey mud bogs for 20 minutes to reach some beaver ponds. My arthritis has now caught up with me and this year will be my first experience from a boat.  I never shoot unless I have a close and clean shot, and then sometimes I'll just let them land and watch. I don't shoot anything that I'm not going to eat. I detest those that will kill an animal and then give it away (without cleaning it) or throw it in the garbage. I detest those that will kill more than their limit. I taught my son to hunt the same as I. It is my belief that the majority of hunters are law abiding, safe and considerate of others. It is a low percentage that ruin it for the rest of us. I have no compassion for 'bad' hunters and have no problem notifying the Department of Resources about one.>:(
Charlie
"Everybody was gone when I arrived but I decided to stick around until I could figure out why I was there !"

Offline CHARLIE

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 3209
  • Age: 75
  • Location: New Richmond, Wisconsin 54017
  • Gender: Male
  • Don't wait 'til both feet are in hot water before you decide to put your best foot forward.
    • Share Post
    • Coulee Region Woodturners
Re: Hunting Sportsmanship
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2001, 08:18:18 PM »
I noticed some discussion about cougars in this thread and thought y'all might find this article in the Rochester Post Bulletin interesting.

COUGAR SHOT ON FRONT PORCH
Duluth-- A northern Minnesota homeowner shot through his front door and killed a cougar on his porch Monday--possibly the first verified cougar shooting in northern Minnesota in 30 years, state wildlife records show.

The big cat apparently came onto Jim Bennett's front porch three times, wrestled with the family dog and tried to take some of the dog's bedding said Minnesota DNR conservation officer Tony Arhart.

Bennet said he let his 78 pound lab out of his kennel about 11:30pm "I looked up, and the cougar was coming down the porch steps as I was going up." Bennett said. "The dog got in between us and protected me."

In the ensuing fight, the dog suffered minor scratches. Bennett told the DNR officials that he kicked at the 54 pound female cat and scared it away once. It returned aobut two hours later.

Bennett slammed the door and the cat left the porch, but it returned a third time 10 minutes later.  Bennett said he fired his pistol at close range through the front door and killed the cat.  "It wasn't leaving and I didn't want it hanging around my front porch." Bennett said.

Bennet lives near Big Sandy Lake north of McGregor which is about 58 miles west of Duluth.

So far, no charges are pending. Cougars are protected in Minnesota and authorities warn people that shooting them should only be a last resort.      
Charlie
"Everybody was gone when I arrived but I decided to stick around until I could figure out why I was there !"

Offline Gordon

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 708
  • Age: 56
  • Location: DE
  • Gender: Male
  • smoke free growing trees áraising my 6 kids
    • Share Post
    • JGforestry
Re: Hunting Sportsmanship
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2001, 06:30:54 PM »
Don wrote
 Speaking of private land, real quick, I had this friend who found some hunter's pickup on his land. He took out his chain saw and fell a tree blocking their exit. Lord knows when (or how) they got out of there. Hope it was a lesson learned though



Classic!---------Man I wish I would have thought of that when this happened.

There was a hunter on our property without permission. His truck with a gun case at the head of the trail. My property is clearly posted. With only one trail leading back that way I went for a ride on the tractor Making as much noise as possible. This is where it gets good.

He comes out waving his hands at me. I shut the tractor down. He Proceeds to name me, and not so nice ones at that. I just couldn't believe this guy. So I asked who this property belonged to. Now get this---it was his uncles---. Well I had heard quite enough and I told him to stop the story and it was my property and he was no relation of mine. The look on his face told the story once I said that.

I told him to get his stuff and go. Man I was hot. I thought about hooking a chain to his truck and give it a little tow. But then I would be sinking down to his level. So I went back to the head of the trail and waited for him to leave. Some people. I now have a chain across that entrance.

It's the few knuckleheads that ruin it for all the true sportsmen and women. I find this to hold true with just about everything.

I've had a couple other run ins which I won't post here. Just because you get a hunting license doesn't give you a right to go anyplace you want to hunt.

Gordon

Offline Tom

  • In Memoriam
  • *
  • Posts: 25838
  • Age: 77
  • Location: Jacksonville, Florida
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
    • Toms Saw
Re: Hunting Sportsmanship
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2001, 06:43:02 PM »
I was surveying the state of affairs in my swamp last week after a bout of hard winds and lo and behold found a brand new tree climbing stand hooked to one of my pines.  It had been there, from the looks, a month or so.  I didn't want it to get hurt from the weather so I took it down and put it in a safe place in my barn.  

It's such nice people we have who visit us and leave these presents around like that. One day perhaps I will find a truck too.  I could use a truck.  :D
extinct

Offline Ron Scott

  • Forester
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 8154
  • Age: 84
  • Location: Cadillac, MI
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: Hunting Sportsmanship
« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2001, 07:44:45 PM »
Keep us posted on that verified cougar. Was there any follow up as to where it might have came from? Tame or wild? Duluth isn't too far from the western UP where there have been regular reported sightings. None verified though as this one was.
~Ron

Offline Tom

  • In Memoriam
  • *
  • Posts: 25838
  • Age: 77
  • Location: Jacksonville, Florida
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
    • Toms Saw
Re: Hunting Sportsmanship
« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2001, 09:11:06 PM »
Ron,
Are there really people interested in cougars?

Florida Panthers are considered just about extinct and those the Gov considers to exist are in the Everglades.  Yet, I, and others I know of, have reported sightings of the big cats in N. Florida over the past 20 years only to be told that we were out of our minds.  The Game and Freshwater commission asked for reports of sightings and then didn't believe us when we reported them.  I had one howling right behind my house in the middle of the night in 85 and ran out into the woods in my underwear to see if I could see her. Then I had a revelation, "What are you doing out here you idiot?"  I ran back inside.

I saw one cross the road about a thousand feet in front of me one morning where 295 crosses 115 in Jacksonville.  He was gittin it across the road like a pack of dogs was after him, running low, stretched out with a lo-o-ng tail.  He was longer than a traffic lane was wide.  

"you must've seen something else, there aren't any panthers in Florida"  I was told, so I don't report stuff anymore.  I do talk about it to my buddys though.
extinct

Offline CHARLIE

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 3209
  • Age: 75
  • Location: New Richmond, Wisconsin 54017
  • Gender: Male
  • Don't wait 'til both feet are in hot water before you decide to put your best foot forward.
    • Share Post
    • Coulee Region Woodturners
Re: Hunting Sportsmanship
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2001, 08:49:53 AM »
Ron, I'll try and keep my eyes peeled (Ouch!  :o) for anymore about that cougar in MacGregor, Minnesota. So many times the newspapers will report when something happens and then never have a followup.

Tom, I always thought that their were three kinds of big cats in Florida. Wildcats, Panthers and Bobcats. I'm under the impression that the panther is different that the wildcat, thought they may look similar and have the same coloration (I think the panther has a smaller head or something like that). I may be all wet though...but that is what I always thought.::)

Have you ever heard a wildcat screaming! Bone chilling!  I remember hearing one when we were at the old hunting camp. Sounded like a woman that was screaming bloody murder. :o :o
Charlie
"Everybody was gone when I arrived but I decided to stick around until I could figure out why I was there !"

Offline Tom

  • In Memoriam
  • *
  • Posts: 25838
  • Age: 77
  • Location: Jacksonville, Florida
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
    • Toms Saw
Re: Hunting Sportsmanship
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2001, 01:46:35 PM »
Charlie,

I think Wildcat is just a generic name for all the cats.  The Bobcat is a smallish cat with a bobbed tail and long hair on its jowls that makes it look like it has a fat face.  The Florida Panther is a cougar and is the same species as the the mountain lion but the arguement was that it was a sub-species.  There have been cougars turned loose in the state to try to rejuvenate the population, much to the dismay of the livestock farmers.

http://www.panther.state.fl.us/

Here is an interesting link that even contains vocals.
extinct

Offline Ron Scott

  • Forester
  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 8154
  • Age: 84
  • Location: Cadillac, MI
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: Hunting Sportsmanship
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2001, 03:56:14 PM »
Yes, people keep reporting cougars, but Michigan DNR doesn't really believe them until one can be positively confirmed. such as the one in Minnesota. I guess its hard to dispute if you have it in hand.

We had the same situation when I was in West Virginia. We had sightings. I personally saw one.  There was no question as to what it was. I had my assistant with me to confirm it.Then we captured 3 of them and people became believers that some existed in West Virginia's Monongahela National Forest.
~Ron


Share via delicious Share via digg Share via facebook Share via linkedin Share via pinterest Share via reddit Share via stumble Share via tumblr Share via twitter

xx
Sportsmanship

Started by pappy19 on General Board

8 Replies
676 Views
Last post March 02, 2013, 02:08:06 PM
by red oaks lumber
xx
Bow Hunting

Started by Norm on The Outdoor Board

12 Replies
1956 Views
Last post October 18, 2004, 06:44:52 AM
by Norm
xx
A Hunting what is it

Started by Jeff on The Outdoor Board

17 Replies
1289 Views
Last post November 23, 2012, 07:51:55 AM
by thecfarm
xx
Bow hunting in WV

Started by WV Sawmiller on The Outdoor Board

4 Replies
765 Views
Last post October 20, 2015, 11:02:43 AM
by WV Sawmiller
 


Powered by EzPortal