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husky enuff?
« on: December 23, 2006, 06:53:03 AM »
i have a husqvarna 365 with a 36" bar/chain..i was wondering whrther its gutsy enought tohandle a 72 " bar temporarily..i have a monster oak to drop and the 36 just plain aint gonna cut it..it is well maintained and runs like a champ with the 36..but certainly dont want to mess it up ..they dont give huskys away :)

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Re: husky enuff?
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2006, 11:34:13 AM »
Where are you gonna find a 72" bar? ;D Even a 36" is a lot on your saw. I liken it to towing a big gooseneck travel trailer with a 6 cylinder half ton, it will hook up but don't ask it to go far. You need to work from both sides of the tree, a "west coast" full wrap handle makes this a lot easier and safer.
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Re: husky enuff?
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2006, 11:48:31 AM »
Furby said he's got one, but no functioning saw.  I wonder if that means anything. ;D
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Re: husky enuff?
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2006, 11:51:14 AM »
You can cut an awfully big tree with a 36" bar, like sawguy said, you just have to work both sides of the tree. Take your time make sure all your cuts match  be safe and keep the chain real sharp too, if I had to guess a 36" bar might be about the max for that saw. it'll hit the ground no problem.


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Re: husky enuff?
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2006, 07:50:34 PM »
Yup, my bar. :D
I know how it handles on the 3120xp and I'm pretty concerned about messing up TF's 365.
I'm also wondering if one guy can even pick up the 72" with the 365. The 3120 acts as a counter balance. ;D

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Re: husky enuff?
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2006, 08:25:51 PM »
Furby, did you use it on a chainsaw mill, or were you out cutting Doug. Fir and western red cedar in a past life? ;D
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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2006, 08:40:55 PM »
Only time I've actually used the 72" was on the cookies for the piggy roast.
Still working on the slabber. Would rather use a 4 stroke for the slabber, but have been slowly picking up parts for an Alaskan to be used with the 3120 until I can build a real slabber. Almost there on the Alaskan.

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Re: husky enuff?
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2006, 10:02:13 PM »
Having a look at the other post I see your tree measures out about 56", so the 36" bar wont be a problem  :) You can allways trim away some of the butt flare if you need to.

Have a look at this post, it's felling a 52" tree with a 28" bar, and a few diagrams and discussions. As your tree doesn't have much lean you probably dont need to bore cut it, just back cut from both sides and have plenty of wedges in place  ;)


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Re: husky enuff?
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2006, 10:30:38 PM »
The problem with the 72" bar is deflection. You would need to start a cut with a shorter bar and insert the 72" in after that as the chains like to come off the bigger ones due to deflection when laid sideways to cut. Unless you use a helper handle but ............anyone want to hold the other end of THAT?. Not me!! Reid
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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2006, 10:45:51 PM »
...anyone want to hold the other end of THAT?. Not me!! Reid

I was wondering the same exact thing about deflection and holding it. Don't look at me neither for nominations.  :P
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Re: husky enuff?
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2006, 11:09:08 PM »
It is VERY hard to keep the nose out of the dirt! :o
Don't have to worry much about kickback though. ;D
Was actually thinking about a bracket that I could pop on and off real fast to hold the belly of the blade when starting a slab cut and then pop it off once the cut is started.

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Re: husky enuff?
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2006, 08:10:33 AM »
you catch on fast swampdonkey

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Re: husky enuff?
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2006, 08:15:58 AM »
the tree in question is in thr forstry/logging section on here..i dont think that the 36 will do it,but i,ve been wrong before!..being in a residential area ,i'd hate to leave it with a foot of solid wood in the middle uncut and have it drop unexpectedly in high winds when there are kids around

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Re: husky enuff?
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2006, 10:21:51 AM »
Why would a 36 not do it?  Our forefathers did it with an ax.
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Re: husky enuff?
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2006, 11:12:04 AM »
tf,

what ARE the details about the drop? Not the tree; the environment it is in. As you mention kids etc. certainly you aren't considering dropping it without at least 1 ground personell. Are you sure this thing doesn't need to be limbed first? Not  that you can't handle it but to make life easier for you maybe you could find a local arborist who would be willing to take it as aside job for a portion of the wood plus a little coin . . . i.e. a lot less coin that he normally would have to have ???
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Re: husky enuff?
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2006, 11:48:55 AM »
i have a husqvarna 365 with a 36" bar/chain..i was wondering whrther its gutsy enought tohandle a 72 " bar temporarily..i have a monster oak to drop and the 36 just plain aint gonna cut it..it is well maintained and runs like a champ with the 36..but certainly dont want to mess it up ..they dont give huskys away :)

This is just redicilous, even that 36" is far too much on a 365!! smiley_whacko smiley_tom_dizzyguy01

..hopefully the saw on question is a 395, not a 365.....
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Re: husky enuff?
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2006, 03:47:55 PM »
the tree in question is in thr forstry/logging section on here..i dont think that the 36 will do it,but i,ve been wrong before!..being in a residential area ,i'd hate to leave it with a foot of solid wood in the middle uncut and have it drop unexpectedly in high winds when there are kids around

Yup.. you need a bit of accurate measuring and a plan BEFORE you start. Technically it's possible to drop a tree thats 3 times your bar length, but you have to bore through the hinge wood and hollow out the centre of the tree BEFORE you start the back cut. It's not something you can do later  :o

It's a technically advanced cut, but more practical than waving a 72" bar around on an underpowered saw I think  ;)

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Re: husky enuff?
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2006, 05:21:24 PM »
You are better off leaving the tree alone. Even if it is dead. Cause with your lack of skill, that tree will kill you.
And if it is alive. it has seen too much history to kill for your own personal good. It is like shooting an elephant for sport. Totally point less.
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« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2006, 09:37:34 PM »
You know what a Redneck says just before he dies?
No, why don`t you tell us?  :D

Sorry Simonian, nothing personal, just that you put that one right out there and I consider it bad karma to walk past sitting ducks.  ;D

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« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2006, 09:38:59 PM »
This tree is not a tree, it is a 35' plus stump.
There is ONE dead branch at the top, and I agree, I'd probly take that off before dropping, but is nothing that will really affect the stump.
There is some rot in the butt and I fear there is a fair amount, so that boring the hinge may not be needed. That can be determinded after cutting the notch, like always.
There is plenty of wood there to hold the stump up while the notch is worked on.


Yes, I have read that a 36" bar is too much for a 365, thus my concern for the 72".

Here is a link to the thread with pics for those who have not seen it.
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I do have a few more pics, but they are pretty much all the same.

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« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2006, 10:24:14 PM »
Furby,
  If you need a power head I have a 2100cd husky that turns a 32" bar no problem. I would be willing to put that on the ground for gas money. I would love to see that hit the ground. let me know!

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Re: husky enuff?
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2006, 10:26:10 PM »
Don't you have a 3120 Furby  ???  Whatcha waiting for  ;D
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« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2006, 11:02:02 PM »
watch this

Now that this is not a tree it is a different story. Where I come from any thing that has to be cut with a 72" bar stands over 150 feet tall. and when they fall. Here is a picture Notice the passenger space intrusion

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« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2006, 11:40:46 PM »
Yeah, Greg I do.
It's been down since June when I was trying to cut cookies for the roast.
Long story short, it looks like I may get away with some new rings and some honing.
As sone as things settle down with holidays I'll see if I can get her running.

After hefting that thing around with the 72" on it, I really have a hard time beliving we can get a more accurate cut with 72" over a smaller bar. The weight makes delicate jobs difficult.
This isn't brain surgery, but it is important that something this big comes down with out any problems.

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« Reply #24 on: December 26, 2006, 12:39:06 PM »
where are you located floorboy?...would love to see an expert at work! ;D

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« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2006, 07:57:27 PM »
I am in dowagiac, mI. that is about 1.5 hours from GR.

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« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2006, 08:36:27 PM »
I use a Husky 365 all the time cutting mostly oak. The toughest thing to cut is rotted wood, totally bogs the saw down and clogs up under the clutch cover. That is with a 28" bar running full skip.

There is no way you are cutting at max RPMS in white oak with a 36" bar. Even the Husky 372 is recommended for 32" max. bar length.

imo, WAY WAY WAY too much bar for that saw. I have cut a 54" oak with my 365 running a 28" and it took long enough.

I would suggest investing in a new 28" bar and (3) chains of 30RCS from Baileys. Because of dog length, bar tip, etc. that will limit you to a 52-53" wide cut without getting too fancy, cutting a normal notch from the left and right sides. On this tree you might have to wing both sides, but, because of the rotted appearance, I suggest the following instead.

For occasional use JUST for the felling, a 32" inch bar with 30RCS might be barely acceptable. I certainly would not use it to buck the tree. The slower the chain, the greater the chance of kickback and just plain killing the saw. 32" bar would allow you to easily cut down a 60" diameter tree without too much risk.

When cutting a rotted dead tree the last thing you want to do is go slow. You want to make the back cut (plunge or not) as quick as possible before gravity and tree defects start taking over.

Please wrap that tree with chain before starting. looking at the latter pictures I would not want it to barberchair or anything else.

FWIW: I would hook a cable and truck to that tree and shake it before I started cutting to make sure bark and trunk are not going to do a widow maker on you. A slab of bark and wood falling even from 30 feet can put a serious hurting on you.


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Re: husky enuff?
« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2006, 09:06:35 PM »
thanks for the info rebo..its much appreciated..the main reason i use the 36 is for cutting off slabs from 25" logs for my hat making..it seems to work great for that,but i will cosider getting a 28 incher after the christmas bill are paid :o

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« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2006, 12:07:58 PM »
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I would suggest investing in a new 28" bar and (3) chains of 30RCS from Baileys. Because of dog length, bar tip, etc. that will limit you to a 52-53" wide cut without getting too fancy, cutting a normal notch from the left and right sides. On this tree you might have to wing both sides, but, because of the rotted appearance, I suggest the following instead.
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I believe about 2 1/2 x effective bar length is possible, if you bore trough the notch and make a "fan" in the senter of the tree.
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« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2006, 12:24:16 PM »
I believe about 2 1/2 x effective bar length is possible, if you bore trough the notch and make a "fan" in the senter of the tree.
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« Reply #30 on: January 01, 2007, 05:49:19 PM »
you might very well be hearing from me floorboy

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« Reply #31 on: January 01, 2007, 08:41:01 PM »
> if you bore trough the notch

I would not walk in front of this tree to make the notch from the other side, never mind bending down in front of it as I take its support away, while boring though a notch.

imo,  That is just asking to get killed or squished.

BTW: I like that wood hat, hard to believe it is made from wood. I think you would be able to sell something like that easily on E-Bay

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« Reply #32 on: January 01, 2007, 09:37:58 PM »
turningfool if you pm me I will give you my numbers.

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« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2007, 01:38:16 AM »
My first post and its going to sound like a fish story but here goes.  Last week I took on an 8' dbh mulberry, located 10' from the house. and 15 or so feet from two sheds and  a garage. There was about a 30 degree window in which to work with out hitting a building, narowed down to a ten degree window to avoid any of the trees in the homeowners orchard. I had 2 ' to play with to clear the corner of the house.  ice storm put a great deal of the tree top on the house,  sheds (one crushed) and garage 01DEC06. 

Began by striping what remained of the tree out from the bucket truck and then blocked the log down to about 35' tall and 48" diameter or so.  After I blew up a section of brick paver sidewalk when one of the 48" rounds got away from my ground guys. I said "(&)*(^&)^&() it" and decided to drop what remained witout further blocking.  I had originally planned to block out more wood but re evaluated and adjusted accordingly to overcome.  The log was now low enough I could stay off the neighboring church property, out of the fruit trees and off the structures if all went well.


Ran a 3/4" 8 strand bull rope through the pulley on front of the bucket truck.  Ran out the line and then attached that to the F700 dump truck that we had set up in the neighboring church parking lot.  fueled up my 088 with 48", 395xp with 36", a 345 w/ 16" and an old Jonsered 970 with a 3' for back up, a 5 gallon bucket full of an assortment of wedges (mostly plastic but a couple steel), 3 # sledge and an axe.  tail gate meeting with crew, driver in bucket truck, driver in dump truck, a ground man in front of me to relay my instructions to the trucks and me. 

I began with a Humboldt face cut 40% deep with the flat at well above my waist.  began the back cut and sank 4 x 6" wedges. At 75% of back cut I stepped away, re-evaluated and proceeded.  stacked 4 wedges, drove them hard and continued back cut to about ~5% of holding wood.   To get the angle I wanted on the fall I shimmed up on the Northeast side of my cut (was looking for a west south west fall.  Centered, set, then hammered a large steel wedge to send the log over. 

When the log hit the ground it felt like I  lifted out of my shoes just a touch.  At no time did either truck pull ourside the initial tension that was set on the rope.  I then spent the next two hours blocking out the log into pieces the guys could load into our large hand truck (rated at #1500) so that they could move it out to the boulevard for pick up by the maniacs that follow us around for the free wood (there are six different guys/families that I call evrery friday to advise as to where we left wood piled up and without fail it all disappears every weekend). 

I gave great consideration to the removal of this tree.  The use of a crane was considered and had the crane I've worked with in the past been available it would have been utilized.  The potential to life, limb and property was great.  Had the resources avaialbe to me been less I would have polietly refused the job.  I've been blessed with a good education which has been supported by ten years of hard experience (resulting in my back being broken twice and surgical repair of my right wrist following an 044 bite to name just a few specifics). 

I havn't taken the time to tell this tale only so taht I can brag to a group of nameless/faceless people, however wonderful you all are.   I'm tired, its late - I don't want to offend but the moral of my story is be safe.  Always, be safe especially when you factor in unsafe nature of working with standing timber.   

Whatever your experience may be - the suggestion that a massivly oversized bar be used on a small/mid size saw to address the tree you described is foolish.  Again, I do not mean to offend...  I suggest that you take a step back and further evaulate this job ( if that doen't convince you try the view from a block away).  I strongly advocate working with-in the parameters of the resources avaialbe.  Getting away with something is a really bad teacher...


If all else fails give me a shout and I'll sell you the 72" bar with .404 chain off the God-foresaken 090 that sits way in the back of the shop taking up space. 

Have a safe day and good luck.


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« Reply #34 on: January 02, 2007, 02:23:11 PM »
Welcome to the Forum PB Logging.
That sounds like quite a tricky removal!
I can't help thinking about the mess that Mulberry tree would make each year when the fruit ripened.  :D :D I can also imagine the mess from the birds would have been quit considerable also.  :D :D

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« Reply #35 on: January 02, 2007, 06:39:28 PM »
point taken pb..the 72" bar is out!..ty for the info.  b safe always! ;D


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