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Author Topic: Miss Moose and I got our prius  (Read 7583 times)

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Re: Miss Moose and I got our prius
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2007, 07:04:55 PM »
All 2007 diesel vehicles require 'ULTRA low sulfer diesel fuel", instead of just "low sulfer diesel fuel".
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Re: Miss Moose and I got our prius
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2007, 08:13:03 PM »
Modat, the guy that assailed you was a moron, plain and simple.  Whether anyone buys into the "global warming" theory, or not, conservation of our resources is important.  Even discounting that factor, the conservation of your personal budget would be reason enough to buy that car.  Good on ya!  Enjoy! :)
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Re: Miss Moose and I got our prius
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2007, 11:56:32 PM »
There's two kinds of diesel at the moment. 

Low sulfer diesel  500 parts per million of sulfer.

Ultra low sulfer  15 parts per million of sulfer.

Some of the newer engines have particle "scrubbers" on the exhaust
and the extra amounts of sulfer would stop those up. 
(I dunno what the devices are actually called, scrubbers seems as good a
word as any)

To my knowledge the ultra low is pretty much everywhere now; the stickers
are likely old news.  My '99 truck doesn't seem to notice any difference...

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Re: Miss Moose and I got our prius
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2007, 11:58:15 PM »
RE the Ultra low sulfer diesel, I've heard two different story's regarding it's use in tractor trailers.  One story is that the truck stops will still sell low sulfer diesel in the large truck bays; the other story is that all on-road diesel will be ultra low sulfer.

Does anybody know the low down here?

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Re: Miss Moose and I got our prius
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2007, 12:08:56 AM »
All truck stops I've filled up at have switched to the ultra low since the law took effect in October.
Trucking companies are still allowed to use the low sulfer in the older trucks, but there are some heavy requirements as to seperate storage of the two.
I'm not sure for how long they are allowed to continue using the low sulfer.
My take on it was that most fuel stops weren't going to bother trying to sell both.

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Re: Miss Moose and I got our prius
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2007, 08:28:21 AM »
Furby - thanks for clarifying this question for me.

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Re: Miss Moose and I got our prius
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2007, 11:21:26 AM »
My brother works directly with the engine industry concerning deisel particulate emmissions.  He's a pretty smart fella, I can't keep up with his talk of all of that stuff.... :)

He does a lot of lab testing to help engine designers meet the EPA standards and provides them feedback.

He has done some interesting research concerning the various sulfur levels and also with Biodeisel.  Biodeisel has a higher NOx output, if I remember correctly (going from memory with a dinner table conversation over christmas).   

It's unfortanate that some people equate being "sensable" to the wacko's out there on the envirnmental front.  We've only got one world, lets start a "conservation" movement to stick it to the "envirnmental" movement. 

Cheers to you on the prius, i'd get one too if I could afford another car.  I keep thinking motorcycle, but I should be thinking bicycle!
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Re: Miss Moose and I got our prius
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2007, 01:34:29 PM »
After thinking about it a little, I should say "The Bank got a new prius" but it allows us to drive it for awhile.

second fill up this morning. 8.9 gallons 418 miles. That is better than my 750 honda motor cycle. Its kind of a wierd car to get used too, the air conditioner doesn't effect gas mileage very much but the heater does. The AC has a brushless DC motor powered compressor, the heater still uses circulating engine coolent. SO the engine will run a bit to warm the coolent then shut off for awhile.
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Re: Miss Moose and I got our prius
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2007, 01:47:11 PM »
I don't know about the cars but most of the Toyota trucks are built in cali, thats why they are different than the rest of the worlds toyota trucks and why there are no 1-ton tacomas like the 1-ton hi-luxs in australia and elsewhere.

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Re: Miss Moose and I got our prius
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2007, 02:00:32 PM »
The new Tundra is a beast though.  ;)


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Re: Miss Moose and I got our prius
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2007, 02:36:24 PM »

 While it's true that BioDiesel has slightly more NOx emissions, it beats the tar out of all the OTHER pollutants from Dino Diesel.  NOx emissions are being worked on with Bio Diesel, and soon, it WILL be the best alternative to liquid fuel uses.  Straight Veg Oil is absolutely the best (SVO).
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Re: Miss Moose and I got our prius
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2007, 02:48:10 PM »
yep, at least it's a step on the path to renewable resources! 

I'd like to see the President challenge us to renewable energy like Kennedy did to go to the moon.
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Re: Miss Moose and I got our prius
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2007, 04:18:50 PM »
Its kind of a wierd car to get used too, the air conditioner doesn't effect gas mileage very much but the heater does. The AC has a brushless DC motor powered compressor, the heater still uses circulating engine coolent. SO the engine will run a bit to warm the coolent then shut off for awhile.

How well would that work when the temperature is -40?  How do the batteries hold up then?
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Re: Miss Moose and I got our prius
« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2007, 04:59:04 PM »
getting any battery to work at -40 (F), i don't understand that metric crap ;) is a challenge!  if it's 40 below here, I'm staying home!
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Re: Miss Moose and I got our prius
« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2007, 06:51:36 PM »
getting any battery to work at -40 (F), i don't understand that metric scrapple ;) is a challenge!  if it's 40 below here, I'm staying home!

-40 F = -40 C ;D What's to understand? It's #@#$  :-X :-X cold. ;)

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Re: Miss Moose and I got our prius
« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2007, 07:34:05 PM »
Modat  That guy is just mad because he has stock in the oil companies.  Next time tell him yep and the wife wears fur.
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Re: Miss Moose and I got our prius
« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2007, 02:26:18 PM »
Its kind of a wierd car to get used too, the air conditioner doesn't effect gas mileage very much but the heater does. The AC has a brushless DC motor powered compressor, the heater still uses circulating engine coolent. SO the engine will run a bit to warm the coolent then shut off for awhile.

How well would that work when the temperature is -40?  How do the batteries hold up then?

The batteries have two vent ducts that force cabin air thru the battery stack, they both cool and heat the batteries :)

I imagine that if its -40 the prius would be a gas only car for the first 30 min or so.
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