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Offline John Mc

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Re: Bad loggers
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2014, 06:30:54 PM »
You would think that their bad reputation would catch up with them and they would run out of work but it seems they always keep going and continue to give loggers a bad name

"Stinky" doesn't get many repeat customers. I suspect if he does get any, they have no idea how badly their woodlot was pillaged and raped the first time around.  There is a changing landowner demographic in VT. The old time families who held large tracts of land for generations are getting fewer and fewer. More and more landowners are new to owning land, and don't really know much about good land stewardship. THey make great targets for guys like Stinky.
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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2014, 06:38:56 PM »
That is why,references,references,references. And check them too.   ;)   But I suppose a forester would stop alot of the bad loggers from stealing too. And as I say,if they come a knocking and say they can be there in a week,wonder why? And then run the other way. Good loggers are busy. As @bill m   is.  ;D  so are good mechanics,good doctors,good anything really.
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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2014, 12:04:18 AM »
That is why,references,references,references. And check them too.   ;)   But I suppose a forester would stop alot of the bad loggers from stealing too. And as I say,if they come a knocking and say they can be there in a week,wonder why? And then run the other way. Good loggers are busy. As @bill m   is.  ;D  so are good mechanics,good doctors,good anything really.
that's funny thecfarm I just started cutting a piece that I told the lo I was going to do in march they have been good about waiting and have talked to the other lo about me every one seems to like the way I do things  there was 2 roads that where about 500ft from joining each other with no way of getting an atv between so I just put them together when the lo came up and saw it they could not thank me enough even tried to pay me I just said give me a good name to the people next door   ill be cutting them off this winter  ;D a little bit of extra goes a long way to some  but as far as bad loggers every town has them  and to some they said the same about me  :D :D :D

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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2014, 05:17:56 AM »
coxy and that is how and why Jeff started the FF.
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« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2014, 08:39:09 AM »
This kind of thing keeps me up nights...  I've been "outbid" a few times... but the results have been less then spectacular...

I'm the new guy so sometimes I can be there in a few weeks or a month or two, but it seems like someone else can be there tomorrow, these are the folks I worry about...

All a guy can do is be honest, do whats right and pay the LO,  Sometimes its not much, (danger trees, full cleanup etc) but if logs go to the mill they still get paid.
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« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2014, 11:22:45 PM »
I honestly don't understand how these guys who don't pay get away with it.  A few weeks back when bringing a load of logs to the mill a guy literally came out into the road and started flagging me down, I thought for sure I had a wheel falling off or something like that.  Got stopped around the corner and he came driving up as I was walking around and looking under the truck completely perplexed. 

Turns out the guy owns a large chunk of land and it had been cut on the winter before, you can see over 100 AC from the road alone, and he did not get a penny for it.  He has more and wanted to know if I would look at it to cut it for him, he gave me the name of the logger who had been there, when I asked at the mill I was told that same logger usually has unhappy landowners.  To top it off the poor guys house had burned down. 

No idea how these guys stay in business.  Like everyone else said, you did the right thing. 
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« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2014, 08:16:20 AM »
I see it all the time here (Southern NH) a lot of them are "free tree removal" they leave the place looking like a tornado blew through.  Some of these lots I am sure warrant free removal to cover the cost, junk and few trees.  Then some of these lots are beautiful to begin with, then trashed, stripped of the money wood and left.  These "loggers" have a terrible reputation and stay working.  Only if the landowner had a little education and knew that they could potentially make a buck or at lease have a good looking lot.  Blows my mind that a poor quality job and bad reputation keeps you busy.
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« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2014, 08:32:00 AM »
I honestly don't understand how these guys who don't pay get away with it.  No idea how these guys stay in business.

The bad apples around here just keep moving around, spanning 4 or 5 counties. It's easy to travel when you are pocketing all the stumpage. Also, it's pretty rural up here and a landowner often won't know of the loggers reputation. What's worst is that the landowner won't do any research or obtain references, they just see dollar signs...until the end, when they have little or nothing to show for the wood.

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« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2014, 11:54:54 AM »
From what I hear around here it is sometimes who gets there first. LO needs some money and wants it now, can't wait for a logger who has work.


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