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Saw this article this morning, and know its only the tip start of a lot of pain for people.   Talkek with my lil 4H buddies last weekend, they are all not doing pigs this year due to the feed prices.  They think they will be breaking even on the cows.  Shame to see the kids give up on a great summer project due to the costs. 

Those religious folks out west with the stockpiles are sounding smarter all the time. 


http://seekingalpha.com/article/73835-time-to-stock-up-on-rice?source=d_email

Yesterday on my way to home, I heard on radio that some Costco stores in the California’s Bay area are setting limits on how much rice and flour a customer can purchase. According to Costco’s CEO, the limits were put in place after what he saw as “unusual demands” for basic items. And Costco is not alone. Today, a story in USA Today says that Costco’s rival, Sam’s Club, is also limiting the amount of rice its customers can buy.

So what’s the reason behind the action from warehouse clubs like Costco and Sam’s Club, which serve both individual shoppers and small business owners? Apparently, it has something to do with the recent surge of rice price, as well as the prices of corn and wheat. Increased media coverage on food shortage in some countries (UN’s World Food Program yesterday called the food crisis a “silent tsunami of hunger“) also fueled concerns among consumers in this country about supplies of food staples, though there’s no shortage here in the U.S.

Tonight, when I told my wife the stories I heard about Costco and Sam’s Club, she said maybe we should get a couple of bags of rice this weekend, just in case. Since a 20-lb bag of rice, which typically costs between $8 and $15, can last nearly two months in our house, I am far from in the panic mode. However, with food prices on the rise, groceries are taking a bigger and bigger share in our monthly expenses, just like gasoline.

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 Has the UN passed out any Garden Seeds, yet ???  ::) ::) ::)
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Locally, I heard from a long time friend that they were noticing shortages of some items on the shelves.

Notably disturbing to me, was his witness of the shortage of grits

The overall impact of the rise of fuel and groceries, basics, has yet to make its full awareness.

I had considered this coming, and worked toward its debut.  However, it has come faster and harder than I anticipated. 

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 Got MY sacks of Grits and Cornbread flour, safely home in Costa Rica.  8)
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Cost of food is through the roof but in the good ole USA, most people eat enough for two and it should be no big problem to keep your grocery bill down by simply eating less. Theres also opportunity to save money by preparing your own food instead of buying prepackaged junk. It may also encourage more people to garden again. All in all this may put people on a diet and make them eat healthier too. This could actualy be a blessing in disguise, in America anyway, we arn't exactly on the edge of starvation here. I'm only ranting on this subject because I'm kind of a health nut, if you don't count the cigars and whiskey! :D

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I don't see the price of food as a particularly big issue.  The average American spends only 9-14% of their income on food, depending on what study you believe.  When you think about how much  Americans spends on food at restaurants, gas stations, and vending machines, you can see that it would be pretty easy for many Americans to cut their food budget in half, if they would learn to cook at home.  I spend about 6% of my income on food, because I've only eaten at one restaurant in the last month.  The only problem I have with the price of food is that more of that money isn't going to the farmers who grow it.
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Well, now, that is a little different for a family.  We still have two teenagers at the house.  Some folks have more.  Food costs are very noticeable. 

One of the diametric problems, is that as people draw back on their spending at restaurants, food purchases, etc., so will those industries suffer.  (yet, higher costs, less employment)

Food costs, by itself, though perhaps not a large percentage of the overall expenditure, combines with the rise in all other expenditures. 

We eat less, to pay for the electricity, which we use less of to pay for the water, which we use less of to pay for the house/maintenance that is primarily necessary, and we cut back on our fuel consumption to minimal necessity to get to the job which pays less percentage of our expenditures of necessity, etc., etc.
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Back in the days of the collective farms in the Soviet Union, those big state run farms were so inefficient they could not feed their people. They found that much of the food for people came from the small private plots that people were allowed to cultivate.

So if people are worried and want to stock up on food, they should grow a big garden.  ;D ;D

Just think of how much that sweet corn they can easily grow will be worth.   ;D ;D   They may have to put a guard dog next to the garden to keep the coons (and their neighbors) away from it and people will have to learn how to get their hands dirty, but this is certainly a good year for large gardens.   ;D

Trouble is many families will have to learn how to actually cook food instead of just microwaving it.  ::) ::)

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Another problem, Gary, is that most families haven't the space/opportunity to garden.  And, most families are induced into work/jobs that leave little time for gardening.

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Re: Food to fuel, just a sign of whats to come. Limits on purchasing food.
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2008, 10:55:11 AM »
I was watching a travel/cooking show that went to Russia and found it interesting that their goverment encouraged using the land out in the countryside for "cottages" for all the city dwellers.  Get away for the weekend, relax, and grow a big garden.  I guess they put in roads and some utilities out into the boonies back in the 50's to encourage the use of the vast amounts of wilderness by the people.  Helps feed such a huge country, that lives primarily packed into cities. 

Somebody better tell Chet he is going to have neighbors soon!   :D
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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2008, 11:05:58 AM »
I use raised beds that take up very little room but can produce quite a bit of food if used properly. Even when I lived in a big city the small yard I had would have been able to grow our family of 4's food quite easily using this method. No we wouldn't have eaten sweet corn but most crops that store work quite well in these.

I just ran out of my stored garden veggies but it was laziness on my part for not using more of what I grew. I could have easily feed another family of 6 but found very little interest in my neighbors the excess veggies and fruit I offered to them. As for time spent doing gardening it takes only minutes a day on average to take care of a garden. Now I understand this is not everyone's cup of tea but with some careful shopping you can be pretty frugal buying groceries.

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Re: Food to fuel, just a sign of whats to come. Limits on purchasing food.
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2008, 11:12:42 AM »
I was thinking that this was a serious thing until you all mentioned that there is a shortage of Grits - to me, that is a silver lining for sure!  :D

We don't have a problem here, we are getting closer and closer to raising our own food - and pigs love coconuts if we need to use them.

Besides, I like chicken a lot more than pork - and we have 18 head of cattle now - even I can't eat that much! We have ducks too - and geese, and I am thinking about turkeys as well.

I have my gardens - and now I have aguaponics (a mix of fish and hydroponics) which is producing lots of fresh cukes, tomatoes, basil, greens, lettuce, etc. And fish of course.

What, me worry?  ;D
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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2008, 11:14:44 AM »
I have to agree with Norm on it not taking much space to produce a good garden. I have a book, "Square Foot Gardening", that explains how you can raise enough food for a family of 4 in a 10 foot by 10 foot area.

I'll be breaking my garden spot up tomorrow morning. It's been a while since I've had one of any size.
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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2008, 11:18:10 AM »
I have to agree with Norm on it not taking much space to produce a good garden. I have a book, "Square Foot Gardening", that explains how you can raise enough food for a family of 4 in a 10 foot by 10 foot area.

I'll be breaking my garden spot up tomorrow morning. It's been a while since I've had one of any size.

That is a good book on growing intensively - especially how to extend you season. We of course don't have that problem.
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« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2008, 11:28:13 AM »
I'm personally not that concerned.  I'm an organic gardener and can grow most anything in a small plot with very little necessary care, once the foundation is set.

However, most people do not have these opportunities.  And, most, in the cities, do not have yards.

I mean, for myself and family, I always believe and intend to be the 'last man standing'.   ;D

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« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2008, 11:40:28 AM »

 Maybe it's time to start plowing under some of those "Manicured" lawns  ::) ???
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« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2008, 11:49:15 AM »

 Maybe it's time to start plowing under some of those "Manicured" lawns  ::) ???
  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Hey now, there is an opportunity.  Those people in the suburbs have companies to come in and fertilize their yards, then another company to cut the grass, and a gardner to trim the bushes. Now they need a company to raise a garden on their lawn so they can feed themselves.  ;D

Anyone up for a garden growing service?  8)
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« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2008, 11:52:02 AM »
My thought, too, FDH.  Time for the return of the cottage garden.  The increase in food prices certainly makes our garden more valuable.

There are people who don't have the opportunity, but if everyone who has the space and physical ability grew a vegetable garden the reduction in demand at the store would help to reduce prices for those who can't garden.
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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2008, 12:04:58 PM »
I wouldn't say everyone does not have the opportunity, maybe not the desire. Opportunity is what you make it, look at all the people they have caught growing pot inside. What about all the roof top gardens you hear about in the cities? There are ways for everyone to grow some of their food, even if it is just in a flower pot.

Who is to say one person couldn't grow peas on their balcony while another grew tomatoes? Then they could swap out their overages with the neighbors.
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