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« on: August 09, 2008, 04:05:13 PM »
Anybody hunt arrowheads? The boy and his freind found these in the stream bed that comes out of the cave on my place.

 

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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2008, 08:31:57 PM »
Nice find!
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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2008, 09:32:16 PM »
Those are neat  8)
I've found a few over the years. My favorite is kind of like the one on the upper right. I found it on the top of a mountain, I couldn't have stepped in any direction and been any higher. I've wondered what was on his mind as he sat there and laid it down.

Some years ago a friend and I got out of his truck at the lake. We were walking away from the truck when he quickly bent down behind me and picked up what must have been a stone knife. It was about 6" long and beautiful. I had a footprint on both sides of it  :'(  :D

Soo, tell us about this cave.

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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2008, 01:51:55 AM »
The cave is pretty neat. I have only been just in the front part of it. Afraid I'll get me rotund butt hung up if I go too far in. One of the local fellows has told me he and a friend pulled an old skeliton out of it and it went to some museum in Missouri. Lots of pottery and other stuff to. I haven't really looked around too much. I did take a metal detector in but there is so much trace ores in  it I got readings every where I pointed. Supposedly the thing is about 5-6 miles long and there used to be another entrance that is now sealed off. The official name of it is Brown's cave. The is another smaller entrance to it on my place but much too small to get into. it has a smalll stream that runs out of it most of the time and goes back underground as soon as it exits the mouth. It can however turn to a rushing torrent with good rains. It also has these neat litttle bitty bats about as big as the end of your thumb that I've been told are called Arkansas bats, supposedly kinda rare. The first room is about 15 x 20ft and the second one I'm not sure about. never been brave enough to go very far into it.
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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2008, 10:54:37 PM »

 They must of hunted with clubs around here , I aint ever found anything close to a carved rock of anykind  :-\    I would love to find some like those .  8) 8)
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2008, 11:41:51 PM »

 Them are tough to spot in Black Water.

  All we found were these. ::) ::)

 

 

 
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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2008, 11:58:01 PM »
What are they?
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Re: Artifacts
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2008, 12:13:46 AM »
Anybody hunt arrowheads?
 

It was a passion in my younger days.  I got really got good at figuring out where they could be found.  My wife and I have found several thousand in all, more than 600 of them whole or only slightly damaged.  Some I have displayed in my home, although I need to display a lot more of them :).



Here is a photo of a display above my fireplace mantle.  The large spearhead in the center is one of the finest we (my wife found it) have ever found. 
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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2008, 12:21:54 AM »
My neighbor found a long thin arrow head while tilling his garden about 15 years ago.  It was about 3 inches long and made of a gray colored igneous rock.  We figured that trade must have brought the thing here to Thomas swamp because we have no rock here. knives and arrowheads were made from oyster shell, or other sea creatures.  There were probably points from plants too.

We seem to always think that the indigenous natives were not very smart, lived in small family groups and had no yearn to travel.  In fact, there must have been great highways where trade was accomplished.  Smoked oysters to N. Carolina and arrowheads back to Florida.   Wouldn't it be great to see the roads and towns from before the Europeans discovered the place?
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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2008, 12:26:49 AM »
That top right one looks like it could be a Clovis point.  WDH, do you know?

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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2008, 12:29:17 AM »
I used to spend a good bit of time on some of the large plantations along the west bank of the Flint River in Lee County.  That area is a treasure trove for arrow and spear head hunters.

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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2008, 02:34:38 AM »
Nice bowls Harold. I've been told there are pieces of potery in the cave although I haven't found any yet. I thought the stuff the boys found was interesting because they look to me to be from different time periods and they were all in one place. Anybody know enough about them to confirm or refute this? What about it WDH?
By the way, thousands huh.  :o. Did you find them all in one area or all around the country?
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2008, 09:15:31 PM »
I don't know a whole lot but they do appear to be from a wide range of time and people. I don't think you're seeing a Clovis or Folsom, the spearpoint is large and the middle flute is very pronounced in the ones I've seen.

There has been a discovery down in eastern Virginia around the Nottaway river of some old points that are turning some of the Clovis theories around. They were found on IP land. I've planted and picked up a few points down there but they are down to a whole nuther layer apparently. The ones we got from there were in a stone that looked like compressed quartz sand. One estimate put the newly discovered ones at 15,000 to 17,000 years ago, well before the known Clovis culture. They are bifacial but unfluted. I've read one speculation that they might have come across the ice from France, the points match some over there.

You are right about trade Tom. Saltville not too far from here has been a favorite salt spot since mastadons and ground sloths wandered around. There have also been some neat artifacts found there. Seashell necklaces, points from all over out of rocks from all over and all through time. People got around and traded more than we think.

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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2008, 10:29:28 PM »
That top right one looks like it could be a Clovis point.  WDH, do you know?

If the artifacts were found together in situ, then it is unlikely that they are as old as the clovis culture because of the stemmed point on the lower left.  Stemmed points like that one date from the late Archaic Period to the Woodland Period which began about 5000 years ago and ended about 1500 years ago.  That is still plenty old though.  Most projectile points are older than people realize.  Also, in this late Archaic time period, the bow had not yet been developed, and the weapon of choice was the spear thrower or atlatl.  So these projectile points are small spearpoints or darts that were thrown with the use of the atlatl. 
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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2008, 12:03:51 AM »
The one top left could be a scrapeing or fleshing tool. If it were me i'd be in there day & nite but it's probley been pretty well picked over but you never know. Any markings on the walls. Happy hunting & be safe in there. Cheyenne
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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2008, 05:52:03 AM »
Pretty cool. I found a few when I was in the USA, but not many. While digging out a drainage system for grey water here, one of the workers found a piece of Mayan pottery (shaped like a tapir) and gave it to me. Pretty cool really.

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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2008, 06:26:20 AM »
I made a joking post a week or two back on the political thread about this.  My grandkids and I  learned about the ancient use of the atlatl, a spear throwing tool.  I learned a few things I didn't know.  These guys say most arrowheads are actually atlatl points, and that the Indians only began to use the bow 1000 to 2000 years ago. True arrowheads are really pretty small.  The guys doing the demostrations also made arrowheads out of chert.  In about 10 minutes he made an arrowhead that was as good as many I have found.
 



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« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2008, 07:52:49 AM »
We are going to a flint knapping affair in Willard MO. It will be the 26 - 28th of Sept., but I would imagine we'll only go one day. Should be interesting to say the least and a good chance to spend a little father/son time.
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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2008, 08:03:31 AM »
If you know what is good for you (veiled threat ;D), then you better take some pics :D.
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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2008, 07:32:59 PM »
You wood have to come over this way to carry out any punishment for no pics. Long journey, however if it will get you out this way, I might just forget the camera. :D :D
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