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« on: July 04, 2003, 07:20:44 AM »
  Here are a few photo's of a cabin I am building down on the White River.  It is setting on cedar stumps and 6x6 power poles.   I cheated and made connections with home made sockets.  The people are pleased so far and I should get it dried in next week.  Goes slow when you are working alone.
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Re: New frame
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2003, 09:19:21 AM »
Looking good!

Maybe you can come up and help me put up a garage-barn type building.   I would love to do a timber frame but not sure time constraints would allow, still thinking on it.

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Re: New frame
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2003, 10:05:37 AM »
Arky,
You're a jack of all trades! Where do you get the time to do
all this? I'm asuming you cut all the lumber for this also?
Are those brackets joining the rafters to the posts? Just re-read your post. ::) I guess they are.Cool. Looks great. Keep us posted with the progress. Thanks. Wade
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Re: New frame
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2003, 06:48:44 AM »
Dewey,
 If you are making a open space like a garage or barn it goes really fast.  I have only worked about 24 hours by my self to get up what you see.  It took most of the time to level and square since I could not pour a footing.  I had to level 12 concrete pads and the cut 12 stumps to the right heigth and fit and notch the 6x6's.
   Yes I sawed all of the lumber for this and what I am doing is trying to saw out 1,000 bdft of lumber (for other orders) before lunch and then go work on the cabin till dark.  It is about an hour drive from here.   I welded up the connectors and will get a close up picture of them.
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Re: New frame
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2003, 05:34:09 PM »
We need a bigger sawshed. I think it's about an 8 hour drive - one way... :o
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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2003, 06:12:13 AM »
  Well I am topped out.  I got up there to put up my evergreen limb as tradition dictates and dropped it before I got to the top.  I had to climb down and get it but it is up there now.  I should be dried in this week.   The folks are very pleased with the progress so far.   Makes my wife nervous to know that I walk around up there like that.
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Re: New frame
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2003, 07:46:18 AM »
Quote
 Well I am topped out.  I got up there to put up my evergreen limb as tradition dictates and dropped it before I got to the top.  I had to climb down and get it but it is up there now.  I should be dried in this week.   The folks are very pleased with the progress so far.   Makes my wife nervous to know that I walk around up there like that.
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Its hard to tell from the pics, but the structure doesn't appear to have any diagonal bracing. This is stiffen the structure for wind shear.

I'm not an engineer but most if not all timberframes I've seen have some bracing between the posts and the cross beams.

Good luck!

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Re: New frame
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2003, 05:45:50 PM »
Thats can't be the Arkansawyer, that guy has a blue shirt on. That must be somebody with one of those blue saws.
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Re: New frame
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2003, 09:13:41 PM »
Jeff,

And no orange cap. Cannot be the famous "Arkansawyer" can it?
That guy on top of the frame must be part monkey the way he is standing there. King of the mountain.
:)  :)  :)

I personally think he needs to add more helpers to the scenario as he has plenty of ideas and expertise to keep several busy. These connectors he makes are the way to go and add much strength to the building. Me thinks he is an injun ear too.

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Re: New frame
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2003, 06:07:56 AM »
Greg,
 If you will look below where I am standing on the bent you will see a temperary brace.  On the bent behind me you will see a yellow strap pulling the bent in and it has two 2x6 braces in place.   In the back wall you can see the infill studs in place and several of them are solid 2x6' the run the full spread so as to tie it all in.  I only like a few hours of having a Civil Engineering degree so I know a little bit about structures and forces.  What I have learn most has from been going and looking in old barns and buildings that have stood the test of time.  When Hurricane Hugo came through SC I was living there.  I went and spent alot of time looking at the houses the made it through and the one's which did not.  What I learned most was that stapled OSB does not hold up.
    Renee' wanted to go see what I had done and we were going to several places in town so I did not wear an ARKANSAWYER shirt or hat as I do most of the time.   Because when I do several people will stop me and start talking sawing and such.   She just wanted to go spend some time with out kids, Granny and my groupies.   ???  Got to through her a bone from time to time.
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Re: New frame
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2003, 06:42:53 AM »

Here is a close up of Arky on top my spy lab had enhanced.


I bet he took that shirt off'n one of these guys.
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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2003, 07:02:22 AM »
Arkansawyer,

Where were you living in SC during Hugo?  Hugo kept me busy for about 18 months down there......What a mess!

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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2003, 03:06:57 PM »
I knew it, I just knew it. tisk tisk tisk. DanG Arky, dont let Wanda see that shirt. Thats almost like breaking a commandment for you aint it? :D
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Re: New frame
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2003, 03:39:29 PM »
Maybe that's why he's way up there! :o
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« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2003, 07:55:38 PM »
Arky you should have a cape - you look like some kind of superhero up there :D

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« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2003, 08:05:13 PM »
Lets see them brackets Arky 8) 8)

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« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2003, 09:31:32 PM »

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« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2003, 10:19:04 PM »
 8) It's a Bird, it's a plane, it's Arkansawyer!  8)


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« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2003, 04:26:59 AM »
If he ever gets down off of the roof and takes time to look at his puter, he is gonna be pithed at you guys for dressin him up like that and pokin fun at him.

:D  :D  :D

Do you think you should add a hat and a mask?

;)  TEE HEE   :D
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« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2003, 05:54:16 AM »
  I am beging to think Bibbyman is in cahoots with Baker.  After all they are from the same neck of the woods. ::)
 And a pink cape! DanG it Tom You have no more respect for a man then that.  DonT you guys keep any thing Holy. :(
Ya'll have gone from picking on Wanda's butt to putting me in a pink cape.  Thats OK I will see Bibbyman next week at the show in Mt Vernon.
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 I was living in Socastee and rode the storm out.  I worked in Pawleys Island and the island was split in half from the storm surge.  I left there in "90" and have not been back.  I think often that I should go see how much it has changed.
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« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2003, 08:47:48 AM »
Things have healed up pretty well down there.  I make a trip back to Santee every now and then.  Some of the stories from the storm are pretty interesting.  I salvaged some timber for an old fellow near Manning.  He was about 90 years old when the storm hit and was  living in a little cabin with his wife.  She was very worried about the storm and stayed up during the night.  He went on to bed.  During the night, the front door blew open.  He got up and closed it and went back to bed.  It blew open once more and he closed it again.  The third time it happened, he got some 16d nails and nailed it shut.....and went back to bed.  Their house sat in a grove of large pines.  It looked like a bunch of toothpicks around there after the storm, but none fell on the house.  I guess they were living right.

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« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2003, 07:35:37 PM »
   Is that pink cape what helps ARKY be able to fly over fences? :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2003, 05:51:12 AM »
  After the storm I went to search for people who were missing and to look at buildings.  I saw a house that the windows were all blown out and  pretty much gutted.  But on the kitchen table was half a cup of coffee where it had been left before the storm.  I was talking to a guy about it out front and we were looking at the house.  When we noticed the address on the front.  The house was from 3 blocks closer to the beach.
 Here is a picture of a connector.  I bolt them with 3/8 x 3 inch lag bolts.  I cut them from 1/4 x 6" square tubing at 30 degrees with a cutting torch and weld them back together.
  The ones for the top have angle iron welded on so that the top perlin can be bolted on.  Some times I put on angle iron for the side walls to be hooked on and perlins on the edge.
 You really have to watch out for your cape when leaping barbwire fences. ;D
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Re: New frame
« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2003, 08:13:46 AM »
Anyone know how big a span you could have using  6x6 brackets. ??? ??? A calculator that allowed you to plug in different sizes and spacing would be nice. :P :P
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« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2003, 09:36:52 AM »
I'd suspect the process is a little more complicated than just cross-referencing spacing and span.  Such things as wind and snow load and what type of wood the beams are sawn from, etc. come into it.

Here is a link to SocketSystems that is similar to Arky's building.
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Re: New frame
« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2003, 01:05:57 PM »
Bib
Your right about all the variables. That why we need a calculator
I looked at the  site and  they say up to 30 ft and that they come in 6x6 and 8x8 but no detailed info.

ARKY must be pretty sure of his design to get up on top and use it as a launching platform for the                                     SUPER SAWER or Maybe he trusts his pink cape to get him down safe.
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« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2003, 01:26:44 PM »
I'd found SocketSystems probably more than a year ago and talked with them a couple of times.  In quoting me a set of brackets for a building,  they went through all the engineering for area of country, spans, spacing, etc.  I wouldn't think they'd want to publish their engineering data for others to copy.

In my case,  going to an 8"x8" beam size worked out a little cheaper than the 6" because I'd need one less assembly.  The extra cost of the beam was not considered as I would be supplying them and,  again,  I'd be using one less set.
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« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2003, 02:43:06 PM »
I can see where species is a variable, and I am wondering how structural grade of the 6x6 and 8x8's figure into the design. Beams of a species and a size are not created equal, and boxing the heart means boxing in all the internal limbs. Maybe more of a problem with softwoods and their knot whorls, than with hardwoods and alternate branching characteristics for many species (other than ash). Are there any procedures for evaluating the strength or the elasticity (bendability according to the Dr.Gene) of the beams?
Seems these are the things building inspectors are going to be interested in too, if one has to deal with them. ;D
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Re: New frame
« Reply #28 on: July 17, 2003, 03:37:02 PM »
Inspectors!  Where me and Arky live,  the only inspectors were likely to have to deal with is snoopy neighbors.
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« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2003, 04:25:57 PM »
Its coming our way Bibby, I just hope Gasconade county can remain a holdout.  Dan

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« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2003, 04:34:46 PM »
I forgot ::) ::) thanks arky for a picture of the brackets and hope to meet you, bibby and rmay next Sat in Mt Vernon

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« Reply #31 on: July 17, 2003, 05:04:09 PM »
I think Arky may "fly in" on Saturday.


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« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2003, 06:41:44 AM »
  Some where in all of my timber framing stuff I have a list for timbers size and load  specs.  A good 6x6 oak can hold a lot.  I have spanned up to 30 ft on 12 ft walls with oak and the cabin is 20 ft span with 8 ft walls with pine timbers.  The barn is spaced 12 ft apart for each bent and the cabin is 8 ft between each bent.  You do use strongbacks when rasing and braces when in place.   The angle is 60 degrees and helps in the load stress and sheding of snow.  The barn has been in 50 mph winds befor the sides were put on and the roof stayed in place.   How well you put them in mother earth depends on how well they will stand.
  I have made some with 3/16 x4x4 for a boat shed for me when I get a chance to stand it up.  I am using pine 4x4 for the beams and putting them on 12ft bents. with a 8 ft high and 12 ft span.   I would not put my boat under it if I did not think it would stand.
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« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2003, 08:42:53 PM »
Arky,  this is the dress of the day at the WM Field Days. :D


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« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2003, 05:33:28 AM »
  If it had not rained yesterday I would have been in the dry.  I got just a few more feet of wall to go.  I should have it done today and will have to wait for the plumbing and electrical to get done to finsh the inside.  I will try to get some more pictures when it is not raining.
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Re: New frame
« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2003, 06:17:13 AM »
Did you/are you going to - slap something on the ERC to keep it red or are you/they going to let it go gray?
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« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2003, 09:41:03 PM »
  I will pressure wash it and they are going to seal it.  I wanted to use some stuff that would keep it red but they have a cedar cabin next door and want it to match, YUCK!   But I do not have to live there.
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« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2005, 08:12:24 AM »
       Arky are you using your connecters at the end of every beam or at the end and the peaks of your rafters and posts ,looks like you have got apretty good thing going on with those connecters I can see where they would save alot of time
     The cedar cabin looks good you did a fine job what kind of finish do you recommend to keep the original color I figured it would turn grey no matter what you put on it fter a little while.
    What kind of roof pitch does your bracket come out to ,it looks pretty steep from here ?
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« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2005, 09:43:00 PM »
   I now have the brackets sawn at a 30 degree angle so when welded they make a 60 degree angle so that is about a 7/12 pitch.  It is steep but gives good snow load and more head room inside.
  Behr makes a siding/deck sealer that does a real good job of keep it red.
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10' X 12' Timber Frame Shed (Raising the Frame)

Started by jander3 on Timber Framing/Log construction

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Last post February 03, 2012, 07:17:55 PM
by jander3
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Time frame for cutting frame

Started by nightfury on Timber Framing/Log construction

1 Replies
758 Views
Last post July 06, 2014, 12:49:00 PM
by Dave Shepard
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Timber frame or stick frame

Started by John_Haylow on Timber Framing/Log construction

25 Replies
21713 Views
Last post October 17, 2009, 10:10:36 PM
by Rig
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I think I'll frame it

Started by Jeff on General Board

24 Replies
1833 Views
Last post June 01, 2013, 08:17:44 PM
by Jeff
 


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