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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #280 on: July 02, 2017, 04:52:34 PM »
Some of what I'm going to talk about here is fact and some of it is what I heard my dad and his friends saying about the facts. What they said is most likely partially true.

When I was a kid, Japanese ships very much like the one in Ian's photo would come into Humboldt Bay, Eureka California, and load up the logs, Redwood, Douglas fir, and some incense cedar.  I liked to watch, but I knew that it was leaving fewer logs for my dad's mill and driving log prices up.

Another fact, bark slabs and edgings would wash up on beaches up and down the Pacific Coast. The part I heard the men talking about and may or may not be fact is this.  They had a complete sawmill on board those ships and by time the ship got to its destination there was nothing but lumber on board.  The bark slabs and edgings just got thrown overboard.
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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #281 on: July 02, 2017, 06:23:12 PM »
No idea there. But this day in age there is no waste from a sound saw log on commercial operations. There is lumber, hog fuel, pellets, and pulp. In my youth sawdust and bark and maybe trimmings went up in smoke in a big cone shaped burner. Then total utilization came along. ;D

Pre-commercial thinning pays off. :)

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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #282 on: July 02, 2017, 07:03:07 PM »
The burners were called TeePee burners.  That was before the EPA  :)
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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #283 on: July 02, 2017, 07:32:45 PM »
Those Teepee burners were the cause of a couple Mill fires.
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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #284 on: January 01, 2018, 10:40:21 AM »
Just for giggles I went through and read this whole thread. It was a great read and explains why I feel so old.
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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #285 on: January 01, 2018, 11:32:19 AM »
Jake, I can remember , as a kid, going hunting with my Uncle in the North Florida flatwoods. We passed a timber stand that was being clearcut ( chip n saw ). He said, "I remember when those trees were planted." My thought was, "Wow, he's old!.". Later, in the same area, I realized that I had watched the same occurrence.... twice!  That thought hit me over ten years ago!!!!!!!!! :o
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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #286 on: January 01, 2018, 01:12:42 PM »
I remember much of our area in citrus groves.  Now, much of that same land has apartments, shopping centers and subdivisions but there are substantial live oaks (many over 36" dbh) and other trees growing.  Some land owners planted slash pines to keep their land taxed as agricultural use.  The pines are good sized now too. 

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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #287 on: January 01, 2018, 07:36:42 PM »
Took my wife up on a mountain top in northern California's coast range.  When I was a kid, you could see the Pacific Ocean about 50 miles to the west, got up there and couldn't see nothin but trees, Douglas firs, mixed with black oak, madrone, and some tan bark oak. 
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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #288 on: January 05, 2018, 10:19:35 PM »
Great thread everybody. I just read the whole thing and found it to be one of the best threads not only on FF, but the internet. Now I need to get outside and thin my mini-plantation.

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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #289 on: January 06, 2018, 07:00:40 AM »
Thank you.

I have another 12 acres that will be planted in the next month with the very best genetics.  These trees that will be planted are loblolly MCP Elite from Arborgen.  The MCP stands for mass controlled pollinated.  The best mother tree and the best father tree from the seed orchard are selected from field trial test plantings.  The female cones on the mother tree are covered with brown paper bags, like the kraft paper bags you used to get at the grocery store, only the small size.  The are secured over the female cones before the cones are ready for pollination.  The pollen is collected from the father tree, and this pollen is injected into each of the bagged female cones to assure that no other pollen in the air can pollinate the female cone, assuring that the father is the selected parent.  Then, after the cones mature and the seed ripens, it is collected, planted in the nursery bed, then made available for planting. 

Here is the product catalogue for the trees.  You can see what is available.  I went with the MCP Elite.  The field performance of these trees has been very impressive. 

http://supertreeseedlings.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/2017-2018-SuperTree-Seedlnigs-eCatalog.pdf

It will be interesting to compare the growth from this new about-to-be-created 12 acre plantation to the growth and development of the plantation established in this thread in 2009.  The 2009 trees were good, but they were not supertrees. 
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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #290 on: January 06, 2018, 08:05:29 AM »
It's so good to see you working hard at getting it just right.
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If you get that same guy with a sub-soiler to give you a hand, you'll be enjoying some shade while you're still young.
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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #291 on: January 06, 2018, 08:23:57 AM »
Took my wife up on a mountain top in northern California's coast range.  When I was a kid, you could see the Pacific Ocean about 50 miles to the west, got up there and couldn't see nothin but trees, Douglas firs, mixed with black oak, madrone, and some tan bark oak.

Great!  Good to hear that the regrowth is happening.  In about 10 years or so the PNW is going to have a huge amount of timber coming online.  Now pulp wont' exist really as a market but there should be a great supply of dimensional lumber.

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Re: Establishing a New Pine Plantation
« Reply #292 on: January 06, 2018, 10:05:47 AM »
I can remember when these trees were planted.  .  . Very Nice Job
We have a lot of good boys and girls in harms way
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