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Re: Skilled Operator or Operator Error
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2009, 09:57:53 AM »
It's going, but slow. The machine had been sitting since last spring and a bunch of problems made for slow cutting. First the diameter sensor was off and had to be replaced. Then a hydraulic hose, actually two hoses sprung leaks and had to be replaced and of course all the hydraulic fittings are BSP so until I get some spare fittings on hand, everything has to come from the dealer with a next business day delivery. Then a wire on a saw sensor was bad  and the saw sensors had to be replaced. Nothing major, but time wasting. Oh and the previous operator had not been draining the water separator and it froze up and shut off the fuel system one very cold night. Happened on a Saturday morning of course and it was Tuesday or Wednesday before I could get a new filter and the system bled and running again.  ::)

Then lately the weather has not been good for this DNR job. It got too warm and the ground is thawing on top and on this job they will not allow any soil disturbance so the DNR has me shut down. Also the DOT has put road restrictions on and that leaves me waiting for some freezing nights to get the last load of pulp out and my machines out for the spring thaw.

As far as the operator error, it's getting less frequent but still there. It's not very often now that I run the saw out instead of grabbing the tree first. That's kind of hard on saw bars because at that time I usually am also lowering the head close to the ground and you just can't hang that head on the saw bar.  Sometimes you can straighten those saw bars, but other times you just have to say "there goes sixty bucks." :(

I had a guy lined up for some training but he has been just too busy this spring to get here. So my training has been from learning by mistakes. And to make it even harder, this red pine job had just way too many double tops, triple tops, and even a few quadriple tops. Those trees are danG hard cutting for a good operator, let alone me.  ::)

Maybe now I will have time for some pictures. 
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Re: Skilled Operator or Operator Error
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2009, 09:23:34 AM »
Where are you cutting at Gary? The woods have been a mess the last few days with the warm temps, I got my last load out yesterday. The skidder had to push me out the last few loads, that gets old. Now I have to start "trickling" the stockpiled wood to UPM Blandin, 1 load every other day.  What year is your Ergo? Does it have joysticks or the globe style controls?  I don't know why their trainer is too busy to come out, they haven't been selling any machines.
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Re: Skilled Operator or Operator Error
« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2009, 01:15:50 PM »
Here is what the controls looked like on the old Valmet harvester. That is the left joystick and there is another similiar one on the right. There is an abreviated keyboard just ahead with a single line display just in the picture on the right.

 



Here is the latest machine, a Ponsse harvester. The two mini joysticks are mounted on the ends of the arm supports on the seat. Just below the monitor behind the black fronted drawer is the regular keyboard and there is a touch pad on the right behind the joystick. The display is showing the diameter on the right and length of log fed thru on the left.

 



The mini joysticks have three functions each with the rocker switch on one side of each handle. They generally control the movement of the head and crane. There are also two little dimpled buttons near the joysticks on both sides that control cutting head functions and two rows of buttons on the far side of the base of the joysticks that have most of the processing selections like species and product selections.

Then here is a view from the front of the machine of what I was cutting. The machine just happened to be parked facing away from these trees. The trees marked with yellow paint are to be cut. The contract called for taking every other row, but the forester decided to "help me out" by marking the trees he wanted taken but it was really because there were so many double tops that he wanted to force me to take those first. You can see the problem with that idea as he did not mark enough for me to get through that space. That one unmarked tree got cut too.

 

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Re: Skilled Operator or Operator Error
« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2009, 03:35:21 PM »
Looks like a very nice machine. Wish I had one( just don't want to pay for it)  Hope you have enough work for it, probably goes though a lot of wood.

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« Reply #24 on: March 27, 2009, 04:32:05 PM »
  :) :)  :)Gary can you get Forestry Forum on that display? :) :) :)
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Re: Skilled Operator or Operator Error
« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2009, 01:54:03 PM »
Hey Guys I have a question for ya. I have run equipment all my life currently run a stroker and the company just got a 1998 Rottne H8 or 5000 CTL harvester i was told next week its going to be my baby but they are sending me to the thinning side of the company.  :) I have never thinned anything except my hair or ever run a Rottne machine i was wondering if any one had a diagram of the controls so i dont look like an compleat idiot my first time on that machine and any advice, tips and tricks about thinning would be appreciated. Thank you!!

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Re: Skilled Operator or Operator Error
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2009, 10:45:18 AM »
LuckyLogger6,

I would call Blondin Inc. in the USA for info on the machine. Being a 1998, I would imagine its a 5000. I worked for Rocan, who sold all the Rottne's in Canada, and a portion in the USA. Rottne's are popular in Eastern Canada. Rottne's are usually known for operator comfort, let me know how it works for you. 

Also, if anyone is looking for Valmet levers like the ones pictured above, I know where theres a set for sale in NB, Canada.

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« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2009, 12:26:22 PM »
thanks ill look them up does anyone have any tips on thinning?

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Re: Skilled Operator or Operator Error
« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2009, 01:48:05 PM »
LuckyLogger6
Welcome to the forum.

Ideas on thinning would likely be based on what's the objective of the thinning.  Thinning could be many things, especially now-days. Might be to remove fuel for fire suppression, or to open up the stand for management practices planned, or to remove large trees for release of small ones. From soup to nuts and still called thinning.

Any ideas what the management plan might be?

Good luck on the controls of the new machine.

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« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2009, 02:24:27 PM »
Ditto! to what beenthere started.

Understand the specific objectives for the thinning of which there can be many and follow the directions of the administering forester or landowner.
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Re: Skilled Operator or Operator Error
« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2009, 02:41:32 PM »
I  understand guys I'm not sure why the are sending me to the thinning side next week and figured throw me on the new machine. but i guess ill learn the hard way i have always been really quick to pick up new machines so it shouldn't be too bad of a learning curve :)

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Re: Skilled Operator or Operator Error
« Reply #31 on: May 26, 2009, 02:47:13 PM »
I hope you are not being thrown into a thinning job with no machine operator training or cutting training. If you were going into a clearcut, it would be bad enough, but not a thinning.

Like the others have said, it depends on the objectives of the job. In some cases those thinning jobs have marked trees and some it's operator selection. Operator selection is easier but requires more skill from the operator to do it right. The last pine thinning I did was operator selection, the only kind I will buy anymore, and because of so many double tops the forester decided he needed to mark trees after I started. It was somewhat OK but still those machines do not drive like snakes and I just took what extra I needed to get thru.

Best advise is to get some training first.
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« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2009, 03:00:31 PM »
ya i have run equipment all my life farming, construction, and now logging i can run loader, skidder, and stroker processor but i have never even sat in a harvester but i guess they think i am the guy for the job ill have to ask about some training it will be interesting i guess  :D

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« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2009, 07:52:39 PM »
Skilled operators are soon recognized by their knowledge, skills, and abilities to work in thinnings without damaging the residuals according to the thinning prescription.  A beginning operator can soon become an excellent operator by following the prescription as to what is to be done and threading lightly on the landscape.
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« Reply #34 on: June 12, 2009, 09:29:57 PM »
Try an old timberjack. then try another one. the steering can be opposite the blade is on the left winch on right or vice versa. pain in the butt. despise the old timberjacks.
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