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Re: Toyota's Problems
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2010, 09:44:33 PM »
Its a distraction, since all the recalls i havent heard a thing about a toyota diesel pickup. seems like it would be easier to just to release a torkey tacoma diesel.
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Re: Toyota's Problems
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2010, 09:51:22 PM »

But why dont they  put it in neutral, simple man, it dont even take  common sense

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Re: Toyota's Problems
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2010, 09:52:21 PM »
 :D :D :D :D  Between Tom and Arky your both going to have to get me up off the floor. ;) ;D

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Re: Toyota's Problems
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2010, 02:04:43 AM »
Not to worry.. Not to worry..  I head a little blip on the radio the other day that one of our leaders in Washington was going to fix the problem.  He had introduced (or proposed) some legislation that would require all manufactures to install some kind of anti-runaway device on all cars and trucks sold in the USA.  Iím not making this up.  But thatís all I heard about it kind of on the tail end of a Toyota report.

Reminds me of the time when a 67 Plymouth Belvidere GTX 426 Hemi went full throttle on Town Hill.  The guyís wife was driving it at the time.  He had put all kinds of mods on it to try to beat a 67 Chevy II with 350hp 327 in a 1/4 drag race (as far as I know, he never did).  He had installed some kind of roller linkage throttle system on the carburetors and the linkage came apart somehow.  I understood that it got a bit sideways until she clutched it and turned off the key.  It ended up in a yard causing no damage other than bending all the pushrods in the engine.  :o
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Re: Toyota's Problems
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2010, 03:26:06 AM »
This is not new. Remember Audi back in the 80's


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Re: Toyota's Problems
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2010, 06:06:34 AM »
All auto manufacturers have defects leading to recalls.  Some are more proactive and forthright about getting them rectified.

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« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2010, 06:37:58 AM »
Some take the wait and see approach to know what they are about to get into. :D

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« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2010, 07:21:46 AM »
I know it sounds silly, Bibbyman, but given the current reliance on computers to control every aspect of cars, I think a manual kill switch would be a good idea.  If I had a Toyota, it would have one by now.  We are all familiar with the mystifying problems computers can come up with.  All it would take is one weak component in the fuel control segment of the computer to cause all these problems we're seeing.

To all of you who are so roundly criticizing the drivers, you must not have driven a vehicle later than the 70's.  There ain't no clutch anymore.  The auto tranny is shifted electrically on most of them, and there is an interlock to prevent turning off the key when in gear.  Basically, you don't actually drive these cars anymore.  You just file an application for the computer to have the car do what you want it to do.  Apparently, these applications are sometimes denied. :-\
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« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2010, 07:46:34 AM »
As far as I knew if you don't touch the brake peddle she don't shift from park. I remember reading that in owners manuals and you can shift into N from any drive gear while rolling down the road. Says so in my manual anyway.

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Re: Toyota's Problems
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2010, 09:11:19 AM »
I don't believe you can shift into neutral. You can tell the computer to shift into neutral and if it wants to, it will. The same thing about turning the ignition switch off. I believe all vehicles need a shutoff switch that will kill the engine without any getting in the way. Something like a manual switch that will turn off the electrical power to the fuel pump or will turn off ALL electrical power to the engine. Many times when a computer crashes, it keeps on doing what it was doing when it crashed. Some times the only recovery is to pull the plug.   


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Re: Toyota's Problems
« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2010, 09:16:00 AM »
I'm a firm believer in buying american cars, if you pull up to the job site with a toyota pick up seems the the throttle might stick on the dozer and head right for that truck or car.

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« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2010, 09:27:06 AM »
Toyota Trucks are American Made. 
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« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2010, 09:53:04 AM »
even though the trucks are made here I still believe in backing the us based companies, I grew up in a family where everyone worked for ford, the street  lived on everyone worked for the big three, didn't see many foreign brands around, now alot of friends and family still work for ford and gm, being about 90 miles from detroit alot of the folks around here are affected by the auto industry, sorry to be long winded about it but livin in michigan the big three affects everday life for many of us, and lately the affects are terrible.

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Re: Toyota's Problems
« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2010, 11:01:25 AM »
I live and grew up in Michigan, and drive a chevy truck, however I would not rule out a Toyota as an option if I were to ever buy another.  By the way, the Tundra was designed in Ann Arbor.
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« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2010, 12:45:41 PM »
Our Dodge 3500 was built in Mexico.  The other place they built them was in St. Louis, MO.  140 miles away.  We had a Plymouth mini-van and it was assembled in Kansas City out of parts made all over the world - body in Canada, engine in Japan, etc.
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« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2010, 01:06:58 PM »
I guess being a union member I'd rather see the profit of the companies stay in the us, the tundra is a great truck, but I personally would never buy one, didn't know the tundra was designed here, ya learn something new everyday, sorry to get off topic.

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« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2010, 01:26:41 PM »
I actually had something happen within our family that just about sealed the deal on my not buying a Chevy truck next time and it has to do with one of those nice gm autoworkers.

This last year my Sister Lynda, her daughter Sonja, and her daughter went to see a hot air balloon show in Midland Michigan.  It was an evening event where the balloons did not launch, but just ran their burners to light up the balloons and the sky.  After the show, there was the typical event parking thing, where everyone was trying to leave, but were limited to waiting until others had.  Sonya was driving her car. She was parked in a double row, facing out with a car tight to her bumper so she could not back up.  As it was, she did not need to go the way the traffic was going, but the other way across this huge parking area, and to another building where a school event was going on that her daughter needed to be at. 

As she was getting ready to leave, a chevy truck stopped right in front of her. She patiently waited for it to move, but the guy and his passenger, a woman just set there blocking her exit, even though the cars in front of him were now many car lengths away.  Sonja motioned that she needed to go the other way.  The guy opened his truck door, walked over to the front of her car, pointed at the "Nissan" emblem, then got back in has truck and just stayed there.  They waited another minute or two, and Lynda got out of the truck to explain that they needed to go to get Lindsay to her event.  She got about have way to the fellows truck and he shouted to her, You people drive a Nissan. You are not going anywhere before a general motors worker does. People like you are screwing (did not use the word screwing) my family, so get back in your ******* tin can, sit there and SHUT THE **** UP.

Lynda said he spoke viciously and she had no doubt that he meant it. So she did. She said he sat there for probably another minute then finally and slowly pulled off letting them go. They were all so scared by the incident that none of them thought to get his plate number as he went by, they just got away as soon as possible.

So, this is the kind of person that we should worry about?  Yea I know, one guy, a unique event. But you know what they say about one bad apple.  He sure soured me. I wish Pete and I could have been there. >:(
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« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2010, 01:59:13 PM »
And now I see the ABC has admitted to faking the visuals in a "World News" report. They showed the effect of an intentionally created short circuit in the accelerator. Part way into the demo, the camera focused on the tachometer, winding around as the motor revved out of control.

Several folks watching that segment (including Toyota engineers) noticed that the tach was starting from an idle position, the handbrake was on, and the driver's seatbelt wasn't buckled, even though other shots showed him belted up.

ABC says they had to shoot that sequence in a parked car because there was too much vibration in the actual demo to get a clear shot of the tach.

Toyota has pointed out that the engine could not possible rev that fast if it was actually powering the car.
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« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2010, 02:13:23 PM »
To all of you who are so roundly criticizing the drivers, you must not have driven a vehicle later than the 70's.  There ain't no clutch anymore.

Don't know about the other makes, but my '94 Cavalier had a clutch and my daughter's '99 Cavalier has a clutch.

My 2005 Smart car has a six-speed manual transmission that has a centrifugal clutch (no clutch pedal) and an electronic shift where you just bump the shift lever forward to move up to the next gear and backward to shift down a gear. It's also got a pair of paddles behind the steering wheel that shift up and down. You can put the car in "automatic" mode so it will shift just like an automatic. Even in regular mode, if your rev's get way too high the transmission will shift up automatically. So there's definitely some electronics in there.

Last fall Barb was teaching a course out of town and called home to say the paddles had stopped shifting, but the shift lever still worked. I checked with the dealer and found out that while the shifting is done electronically from the paddles or the engine speed monitor, the actual shift lever is connected via a linkage.

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Basically, you don't actually drive these cars anymore.  You just file an application for the computer to have the car do what you want it to do.  Apparently, these applications are sometimes denied. :-\

Now that describes it in a nutshell :D :D.
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« Reply #39 on: March 11, 2010, 02:19:00 PM »
Jeff, they're out numbered in these parts. ;)

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