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Re: You have ZERO freedom of speech here.!
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2010, 06:20:44 PM »
I have seen many posts that criticize manufacturers both sponsors and not.  Never once have I seen someone get scolded for stating their opinion.  It is when that opinion changes to an attack that Jeff or the admins get involved.  By attack, I mean comments that are based on singular incidents and the author is slamming the company  while giving only one side of the story. in those cases, I believe it is fair to call fowl.  When one hears those kind of comments in conversation, it's easy to take it with a grain of salt.  When it's written on a forum with thousands of readers, it can easily become a firestorm with the manufacturer unable to defend themselves.  I agree this sometimes is a fine line, but that's the way it is.  As far a freedom of speech, this forum is owned by Jeff and as such, I look at it as if I were standing in his garage shooting the bull.  At any time, Jeff may ask me to leave.  Remember, You don't pay to get in here, You are welcomed in until such time as you "pi** off the cook"
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Re: You have ZERO freedom of speech here.!
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2010, 10:01:49 PM »

  Last thing one needs do is air his dirty laundry, you have two solutions, suck it up apoligise and help us be better at what we do , or  leave, wich I think is a poor way out . Nothing can't be fixed unless you is already with Mickey  ;)
  Eather way , I will stand by Jeff, I also have shaken his hand and will do it again  :)
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Re: You have ZERO freedom of speech here.!
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2010, 10:09:22 PM »
Jason, I've been a member here for a long time, have met Jeff personally, and have nothing but respect and appreciation for how he manages this forum.

There has been a lot of good advise offered to you by others on this thread.

On a private forum, we do not have the right to "free speech", because it's not ours.  It is incumbant upon us to respect the rules of the forum if we wish to benefit from it's priviledges.
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Re: You have ZERO freedom of speech here.!
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2010, 10:17:49 PM »
I have been a member here for a few years. There is no better place to exchange info on everything from logging and milling to farming and politics. I have not always agreed with posts on this forum by members and admins including Jeff but this is jeffs forum and he can run it the way he sees fit. I stand behind Jeff and his descisions because when it comes down to it all Jeff has to do is get tired of handleing what I am sure is a huge workload keeping this forum going, pull the plug then nobody gets to play. Jeff, my hat is off to you sir.
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Re: You have ZERO freedom of speech here.!
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2010, 10:23:15 PM »
One point not mentioned, is that even where free speech is allowed, it can come with consequences if it is not employed with tact. You can insult that 400 pound biker in the bar, but there's nothing saying he won't flatten you. :D
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Re: You have ZERO freedom of speech here.!
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2010, 10:41:46 PM »
I've  taken my wife to a Piggy Roast and she was impressed by the kindness and the quality of folks we met.  That they all fit together as diverse as the group was.

There's family and then there's the rest of folks.   Looks like you're in the second group........
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Re: You have ZERO freedom of speech here.!
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2010, 11:09:05 PM »
There is nothing free about this forum, or any other forum. Someone pays the bills every month.
We agreed to the rules when we joined up and were granted the privilege to participate.
There is nothing in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or the Bible that says we have a right to speak in any manner we desire on a forum.
Being able to create this thread, and it stay up, proves that those who operate this forum are an open minded lot. Most moderated forums would have banned your account before anyone had a chance to read or reply to this thread.
 I have not met Jeff, Tom, or any of the Mods here, probably never will. I can say that this is a well run forum. That is why I come here.

No one forces any of us to log in. If we don't like the music, we can dance somewhere else.

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Re: You have ZERO freedom of speech here.!
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2010, 11:54:02 PM »
I have at times inadvertanly tested this forum, mostly by my goofyness.

But I will say this

at all times the responses have been directed only at preserving the wonderful integrity of this place

I stand in the solid line behind Jeff

there is much to learn here, unlike much of the rest of the net, we share
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Re: You have ZERO freedom of speech here.!
« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2010, 01:11:12 AM »
I have been a member for awhile,not as active as some but a devout reader.I think jeff does a great job of driving the boat.

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Re: You have ZERO freedom of speech here.!
« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2010, 01:19:25 AM »
I ran a sawmill business for 16 years. The Forestry Forum didn't exist when I started out so I did all my learning the hard, expensive way....through trial and error. I freely share my hard gained knowledge here on this forum because of the environment of fellowship and sharing not found on most other sites. That environment exists only because the forum administration runs a tight ship. It is normally free of the strife, flaming and negative trolls that inhabit most internet forums and full of knowledgeable, sharing people. I challenge you to find any other site with a membership that has as broad and deep a knowledge base that shares information with virtual strangers so freely.
I have no empathy with your gripe. If you don't like the parameters Jeff sets down, move on.
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Re: You have ZERO freedom of speech here.!
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2010, 01:21:31 AM »
This is what I received from the owner of this forum in regards to my comments ...

Note the word I underlined.

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What do you member think of this crap!

If I didn't agree with Jeff's policies, I wouldn't be here.
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Re: You have ZERO freedom of speech here.!
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2010, 07:37:28 AM »
Gday

I dont recal reading the thread that got this one started Smokey  ;) :D but all ill say is that the replys that have been posted are true to what the Forums About  we are like one Big Family and the reason for that is all the Hard Work and ground rules Jeff as the founder and all the admins have put into it sice day one  ;)  ;D 8) 8)

He's giving you free speech right now Mate  ;) he Is  basicly giving you a chance as we say down here  ;) to Pull your bloody head in and get with the program mate  ;)  :D this is his place and your not the first and wont be the last bloke to have a topic sent to the woodshed Mate  ;) there is a reason why we have it but i havent had a chance to visit yet ;) :D :D :D

 Ive spent since the time I could walk soaking up all the information i could about this industry and have been putting it into practice sice the age of 13  ;) all hard won and I felt like i was one of very few people who felt the same way untill i joined this Great Place acouple of years ago  ;) ;D ;D 8) 8) ive joined a couple of forums and lost intrest quickly due to there being too much free speech w/o any rules  :o :) :) ::) ;)   :D and there is no other place i would share my experiance ,ideals ,thoughts and point of view so freely than with this group of Fine People of which theres a fair few i feel lucky to call Good Mates now  ;) ;D ;D ;D 8) 8)

Theres one thing about a family is that most of us wont hold this against you in the long runn if you stick around get in there and contribute and not rock the boat too much Mate  ;) :D  ;) :D ;D 8)

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Re: You have ZERO freedom of speech here.!
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2010, 08:38:40 AM »
The neutrality of the forum is what draws people here. Jeff does not play games with the forum. As a sponser I have full confidence in Jeff and his decisions to maintain the forum as a friendly place where folks feel like a family. Though like a family, there will be bickering and things will get said, Papa Jeff is the head of the family and what he says goes.
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« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2010, 09:33:22 AM »
Thanks for the forum. Jeff you are the head man. Just
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Re: You have ZERO freedom of speech here.!
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2010, 09:44:46 AM »
I think it's hilarious that you are asking folks that have been here for years what we think of it?   :D  What answer did you expect?  We hang out here because we enjoy a dictatorship?  I hang out here because courteousy is enforced and swearing is kept to an occassional DanG (our official forum cuss word).  These folks are the salt of the earth, and I'm very, very proud to be a member.  
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Re: You have ZERO freedom of speech here.!
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2010, 09:46:21 AM »
Kids need parents to set the line.  Some kids feel the need to see if the line has moved.  Others ignore the line.  Same results  here on the forum as when my kids cross the line .  Jeff, good job on keeping the line.  (Well, some adults do act like kids)

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Re: You have ZERO freedom of speech here.!
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2010, 09:47:21 AM »
Well I guess enough votes are in, we all back Jeff 100 per cent and you get no sympathy here. So I guess you need to do some self examination as to your attitudes.
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« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2010, 10:00:09 AM »
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Edited: Sorry about that , sometimes I can't resist being childish myself in response to another's foolishness  ::)

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Re: You have ZERO freedom of speech here.!
« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2010, 10:19:11 AM »
In all reality I have found that the most important censor of my posts has got to be ME.  My post count would be much higher if I didn't stop sometimes and ask myself "do I really want to post that? or am I just trying to stir the pot"?  Many times I disagree with some of the posts, but as I keep reading I find that there is always someone who actually knows more about most things than I do!!  Imagine that!  And they have a broader vocabulary with a better understanding to express themselves.

I must say I am just basically a "freeloader" here.  I don't have that much to offer in the knowledge department, and really this forum helps me much more than I could ever add to it.  BUT, I have met some of the nicest friends that I would never have had the opportunity to do so without this board.  Lord willing I intend to make a few more!

I can only imagine standing in one of my friends' yard (or especially Jeff's), and having one of them tell me "Hey look my friend, you're about to cross into my personal space, and if you don't straighten up and fly right I'm going to have to ask you to leave".  That would be a sobering event for me.  I spend too much time here I know but I am a guest, just thankful that Jeff allows me to be here.  I don't make the rules.  Maybe it's time to man up and decide if you've crossed that line and move on------or apologise like the man has asked.  As the old saying goes--"the boss may noy always be right, but he's still the boss".

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« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2010, 10:42:16 AM »
I mostly saw for a hobby.  Met Jeff once in Madison WI.  Treated me like a friend.  Like the others said HE DA BOSS  and I like what he provides here
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