Bar I.D. Help

[timber tramp]

    Picked up a bar at a garage sale today, it's a windsor speed-tip, Stihl branded (Stihl mount). Tried both Windsor and Stihl sites for info, found none.
   Numbers on powerhead end are:
              C83X
        30039246SN4
              2704

  Bar came off of an 038 I believe, any information much appreciated. Thanks,  TT

[Kevin]

That might be a pre Blount Windsor bar.

[Ed]

I've got an older Windsor bar...Stihl mount, 3/8 pitch, .050 ga, 20" long. I'll check the numbers on it tomorrow.

Ed

[beenthere]

    Picked up a bar at a garage sale today, it's a windsor speed-tip, Stihl branded (Stihl mount). Tried both Windsor and Stihl sites for info, found none.
   Numbers on powerhead end are:
              C83X
        30039246SN4
              2704

  Bar came off of an 038 I believe, any information much appreciated. Thanks,  TT

I have a Windsor bar off of a Stihl 041, and has the numbers
              K50X
          214050SNA
              1063

The roller tip has the number
      SRA-222-A11
with the Windsor logo

It was 3/8 pitch, .050 ga, 20" long like Ed's

Don't know if this is of any help, but the numbers have the same "set" to them. 

[timber tramp]

 Tip on this one (replaceable sprocket nose) is stamped:

            SRA-222-B10
                  .404P

I'm assuming it's probably .404 pitch, just not sure.              TT 

[Rocky_J]

That would be a good assumption. You can confirm by taking any loop of 3/8 chain you have and laying it over the tip to see if it rolls smoothly. If not, then it's most certainly .404 pitch.

[timber tramp]

That would be a good assumption. You can confirm by taking any loop of 3/8 chain you have and laying it over the tip to see if it rolls smoothly. If not, then it's most certainly .404 pitch.

    Tried that, seems the teeth on the sprocket are spaced further apart than the drivers on a 3/8" chain. 
    Is all .404 chain .063 guage?      Thanks  TT

[Al_Smith]

.404 was made in .050 .058 and .063 .About all you find now of days is .063 .Fact is I bought the last .058 skip tooth chisel Baileys had in stock .I have one big old 48" bar that must have been made in the 50's that uses that size .

Now in addition to those sizes .404 is also used on some mechanical harvesters .If I'm not mistaken that stuff has other guages than those mentioned .

[timber tramp]

.404 was made in .050 .058 and .063 .About all you find now of days is .063 .Fact is I bought the last .058 skip tooth chisel Baileys had in stock .I have one big old 48" bar that must have been made in the 50's that uses that size .

Now in addition to those sizes .404 is also used on some mechanical harvesters .If I'm not mistaken that stuff has other guages than those mentioned .

     Ah, live and learn. I'm not at all familiar with .404 as I've always only ran 3/8". Really I just bought this bar because I don't remember ever seeing one like it, and it's Stihl branded, so I thought it'd look neat hanging in the shop. Also the price was right ($7.00).

    TT

[stonebroke]

How could a 038 pull a 404 chain?

Stonebroke

[Rocky_J]

Swap out the tip for a 3/8" pitch.  8)

[Al_Smith]

How could a 038 pull a 404 chain?

Stonebroke

The same way an 046 could . All 038's are not the same . 8)

[joe_indi]

How could a 038 pull a 404 chain?

Stonebroke

The same way an 046 could . All 038's are not the same . 8)

Al,
Would a 460 really pull a 404 chain? I tried a 404 on a 460, on a 16" Duromatic bar.
The whole engine started heating up even before I could try it in wood.
So I shelved the idea.
I dont know if I am remembering correctly, theManual of the 038 Magnum that I bought in 1996 seemed to mention 404 as an option.
Was I mistaken on this?
Any info you could give would be helpful.

Joe

[lumberjack48]

A 460 was the power to pull a 404, you lose chain speed. If the engine started to heat up something was wrong, you have to have a 404 pitch sprocket on the saw to match the bar sprocket, witch I'm sure you know. [ or chain to wide for bar rail ]
Back in 1965 i had a 08 Stihl with a 404 pitch chain, then they came out with a 08S , it had a 3/8 pitch chain, about 30% faster, good ole saw.

[joe_indi]

A 460 was the power to pull a 404, you lose chain speed. If the engine started to heat up something was wrong, you have to have a 404 pitch sprocket on the saw to match the bar sprocket, witch I'm sure you know. [ or chain to wide for bar rail ]
Back in 1965 i had a 08 Stihl with a 404 pitch chain, then they came out with a 08S , it had a 3/8 pitch chain, about 30% faster, good ole saw.

404 Rim Sprocket, 16" Duromatic with enough slack for the chain. This was on an otherwise normally running 460.
It started heating up.
The 16" 404 chain weighs the same, if not more than a 20" 3/8" chain.
The older saws like the 08 had longer strokes than the 460. Could this be the reason for it to heat up?

[lumberjack48]

I really don't know why the saw should over heat, a 404 with a 16" bar should be no trouble for that 460. I would put the 3/8 back on and try it then, see if you still have a over heating problem.

[HolmenTree]

Tip on this one (replaceable sprocket nose) is stamped:

            SRA-222-B10
                  .404P

I'm assuming it's probably .404 pitch, just not sure.              TT 

Your tip is the older long joint .404 , not the newer solid web tip. When I say newer I mean the solid web came out in the early 1980s. The old style tip like yours was first introduced in 1970.
Not likely a 038 bar. The 038 standard[61cc] came out in 1980 and I never saw these 038s rated for .404 . The oldest Windsor cataloque I have is 1984-5 and I couldn't find your bar pad #s.
Willard.