Garrett skidder support

[redlaker1]

Hey guys,  been a long time since I've posted on here,  but I thought I would bring an old thread back.

I have finally got to working on my old garrett in the last week or so.   I installed a new radiator,  electronic ignition and coil, new plugs and wires, and 12v alternator,  re-wired the whole machine,  new gauges, set the valves,  rebuilt the carb and checked everything over.   
so I finally fired it up last night and can't believe how good it runs.   so now I am going to work my way back through the machine and fix what needs to be fixed.

I saw the thread from garretts and have contacted them regarding manuals and would like to find out where the machine was originally sold.

I am wondering where on the machine I could find the serial #  or if the model 10s even had a serial # on them.

sure I will have more questions as time goes on while I am working on the machine

[mad murdock]

Hey Redlaker good to hear of your update! The old ford industrial is a pretty tough engine. I finally broke down and got my 15A going good this last spring, and it runs real good now. John W. may chime in on this, (he has a mod 10 also) on mine the SN is stamped on the left frame about where the battery sits just behind the front radiator guard ( armor).

[redlaker1]

well I looked and scraped off some dirt and found what might be the serial #   its on the left side frame rail near the front.    the number is 60 stamped into the metal.   not sure if that is it or not.

took the lid off the trans today and there was some water in there,   not sure where it got in,  but some of the gears are a little rusty.   they dont look bad enough to tear it apart just yet.   I think I will flush it real good and run it a bit and drop the oil a few times and then take a look and see if the gears are holding up.

excited about getting this thing in operating shape,   something about hearing that engine fire up gets you motivated again

[Mark Standley]

The other day I got ahold of a Garrett 10 the motor was seized up I brought it home pulled the head off freed up the motor put plugs, points, changed the oil, new starter. It fired right up and runs good was neat to drive it around. I do need some blade cylinders though. was cool to hear it run it had been sitting for over 10 years. The serial# was on a tag on the dash. I did talk to Adam to get operators manual that will help a lot.

[mad murdock]

Mark, here is the link to a thread that Adam Garrett started a while back, has links to some cool pics of some of the Garrett equpment etc. that they built over the years.  Fascinating stuff, to me anyways..
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=51852.0

[UN Hooker]

 redlaker1
     On my C-4 the water was getting in the transmission by following the stick. I went to China Mart, in the pet department and found a tough rubber ball (for dogs to chew on) cut it in half, drilled a hole in it a little smaller than the base of the stick and slid it on with a little RTV. That cured the water problem.



 

[terry f]

       Thanks for the thread mad murdock. John, do you know much about the model 16? I'm thinking about one, it has a air cooled diesel and looks in good shape. The price is a little high, but I might have a trade going. The owner says its never overheated, but I can't see how a air cooled diesel could stay cool.

[mad murdock]

Your welcome terry.  If the engine is a deutz, or something similar, it is a great engine. Deutz put a blower fan and a well designed shroud on their air cooled engines. Those things could run years with no problems!

[redlaker1]

UNhooker  thanks for the tip,   the gasket on the cover looked good so I the stick was my main suspect.   when I get back to working on it I will make something up to eliminate that leak.

terry,   mad murdock is right about the air cooled deutz,  they are rock solid and havent changed much over the years,   where I work we have at least 50 machines running those 912 and 413 series deutz engines in 3,4,5,6cyl, v6, v8 configurations,   and they run them hard and as long as the fan is turning I cant remember the last time one overheated.   anther nice thing is no electronics,   just a few sensor wires, starter, glow plugs....   
I am a big fan of the deutz.     my model 10 would be pretty neat with a 3 or 4 cyl deutz.       maybe duct the fan back in the winter for some heat  haha

[treefarmer87]

the c5 i am getting has a 3 cyl deutz in it. It came out of a trencher i havent seen one in a c5 before     

[mad murdock]

A lot of the CanCar Tree Farmers where I grew up (N. Wisc) had Deutz power, mostly 4 and 5 cyl.  Very good engines, quiet, powerful and EASY on fuel, plus very little maintenance.
If I had a Deutz in my skidder I would be glad of it, Though the ford Ind. diesel is plenty tough, it is really hard to knock the Deutz, IMO.

[lumberjack48]

treefarmer87 i got a feeling your going to be a little under powered.

I've seen 4 cylinder in the C4 and the C5 had a 5 cylinder

[treefarmer87]

i think so too, but the skidder is $4500 the motor and winch are new . i was goging to try it with the deutz, and if i dont like it, there is a place on the internet where i can order a brand new 4bt cummins for $2000

[snowstorm]

i think so too, but the skidder is $4500 the motor and winch are new . i was goging to try it with the deutz, and if i dont like it, there is a place on the internet where i can order a brand new 4bt cummins for $2000

brand new cummins for 2k????????i'll take 10 of em

[treefarmer87]

do you think a 4bt cummins would be a better motor for it?

[Corley5]

Probably would be better than the 3 cylinder Deutz power wise but to swap in a Cummins you're also going to need a radiator    I see F4L 912 Deutz engines on E-bay for 3,000.00.  They should be a direct swap for the F3L 912 

[lumberjack48]

You want 100+ hp motor for the C5 or  you'll be stuck in the mud   ???

[tundratilly]

Hello! I'm new to the forum and have a little news for ALL! garrett owners. Here is a site to help find parts. These parts are NOS parts. I owned a C-4 from 1989-1992 and loved it. It was used commercialy and I swaped out the 172 Ford engine (gas) for a 172 Ford diesel. Made a huge different in torque and used 50% less fuel than the gas. This is the place G.F. Preston Sales. They are located in Sunridge Ontario Canada....gfpreston.com......877-245-2456...they have about 95% of the parts for old garrett and other C-4 variants........Hope this helps!!! 8)

[mad murdock]

Welcome to the Forestry Forum Tundratilly!  That is awesome news 8) 8)
These old machines are just too good to put down ;)  I really like my machine!

[redlaker1]

thanks for the tip tundratilly,   will definitely look them up when I am trying to source out parts. 

as for the gas engine,  I probably wont be using mine enough to warrant an engine swap at the moment.    but you never know.   once I get it going I imagine I will be finding all kinds of little jobs for it.

[old peak]

Not sure how active this thread is these days but I thought I might post and see if any of you experts out there (John and Mad Murdock) might have some advice for me.

I am just a young guy getting into the game but I bought a Garrett 10 tree farmer (probably a mid- fifties model) and have been having a great time thinning out the forest around my place and fixing it up this summer.

It is having a couple minor issue though so far and I wanted to see if anyone had some suggestions on where I might be able to get some parts for her.

First the rear bearing seal is leaking gear oil pretty good. I have been just keeping her topped off for  now but I would like to staunch the flow. Adam up there in enumclaw thought they were pretty standard but did not have any left. I did get a manual from him but I am not sure if anyone will know what I am talking about if I go into the local parts and hydraulics shop and ask for some seals with just the old Garrett part number. Any Ideas on that.
The other thing she may need before to long is some new tires. I saw someone post and say that old grader tires might be the ticket? any leads on where to look for something like that and what size I might need? Are they 10x28s?
Finally the belts run a little loose and the bracket for tightening them is broken. I may just have to try to get a replacement machined up unless someone knows of a similar bracket off of something a little newer and more available.

Well thanks in advance for your time...I know I am a little green but I can be a quick study.
here are some pictures if you want to take a gander. If it helps at all I am in the coast range in western Oregon

  


  

 

[treefarmer87]

NEAT MACHINE! welcome to the forum.

[lumberjack48]

That Garrett is in really nice shape, nice find. The seal thats in it should have a number on it, i got all my seals from napa. You can get new tires from petes, 11.2 x 28, 8 ply $272. You'll have to weld the bracket or make a new one.
Find out where the state and county buy their tires from for their graders, you can pick up the used ones cheap.

[Ohio_Bill]

That is One Great Looking Machine!  I think you found a real gem.

First Post and Great Pictures   .   Way to go and Welcome

[thecfarm]

Nice Garrett you have there.You should be able to weld up that bracket or make a new one for it. Tires are kinda pricey,but should last for years if not working it 8-10 hours a day 5-6 days a week.