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Does a poacher **** in the woods?
« on: November 28, 2010, 11:49:29 AM »
The other night Lidy and I were sitting in the hot tub having a glass of wine and relaxing away the days sore bones when she saw a light up on the ridge at the side of my property. I thought it was a four wheeler.We often have a lot of trouble with poachers. As I said, we had a glass of wine or tw. I'm really tired of the aholes paoching the deer that I spend a couplke grand a year feeding and keeping health so I went and got my pea shooter and started slinging a little lead up that way. No possibility of hiting anything. Too many trees in between. Lindy called the sherrif and the game warden came. Sherrifs won't come out where we live. Too many rough sorts around for them. He's been stalking them out for a few days now. A friend went too walk it out and said he didn't see any sign of a four wheeler so I guess who ever it was definately knew I was popping off at them. I would say there was at least one poacher that did like the bears do.  ;D
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Re: Does a poacher sh** in the woods?
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2010, 11:04:25 PM »
I presume that the law is less strict in your neck of the woods, but around here, shooting at someone (even if you're intentionally missing) when that person does not present an immediate threat will get you thrown directly into jail without passing GO.   What did the game warden say?   

In any event, you should count your lucky stars you didn't hit anyone. 

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Re: Does a poacher sh** in the woods?
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2010, 11:08:56 PM »
On one of my fishing web sites mentioned one of our larger rivers south of us.  Four game wardens in that region, two on medical, one transferred and one retired.  No coverage at all.  Have to believe the poachers must read the site too.
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Re: Does a poacher sh** in the woods?
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2010, 07:07:10 PM »
Tim, you said that differently than I probably would, but I guess your wording is better.....you said it well!

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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2010, 10:15:15 PM »
I own 34 acres and have had my share of "lost" hunters appear. go_away go_away  I think you are better off catching them with a camera in hand rather than a gun.  While I understand your desire to defend what is yours, and the shots are certainly a deterrent, if anything goes wrong or even appears to be your fault, it's your butt that will be fried, not theirs.  

Poachers often think they have a right to be where they are because they have, legally or illegally, hunted there before.  Through identification of the guilty parties, they will be unlikely to return.  As long as they remain anonymous, it's just part of their game.  

I would find out who hunts your neighbors properties and relay your issues to them.  These people have got to be coming from somewhere, and your neighbors, and the hunters that hunt those properties legally, will know what's going on too.  Find their ATV's and wait 'til dark.  Don't destroy their property.  Just get their ID.  Firm but peaceful.  My humble advice is don't shoot at anyone, even if you intend to miss.  Doctorb
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Re: Does a poacher **** in the woods?
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2010, 08:50:14 AM »
the law is pretty much the same everywhere in respect to shooting at someone. that being said, around here when we have some of the local crackheads show up and park on the road and walk in hunting/poaching they seem to respond quite well to a few new bullet holes in their mode of transportation.

i am fairly certain they will never call in on me for doing that for numerous reasons.

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Re: Does a poacher **** in the woods?
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2010, 10:19:35 AM »
Don't ever shoot at something you don't intend to kill.  Bullets are like words, and vise versa,  once fired, you can't get them back.
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Re: Does a poacher **** in the woods?
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2010, 10:56:17 AM »
Yep, they are like words and I was speaking load and clear.
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Re: Does a poacher **** in the woods?
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2010, 11:05:19 AM »
 Lee , geezz we think alike  ;)

 If you dont own it , and/or you dont know who does, or you know who owns it but don't have permissionto be on this property then don't be there, I like to shoot at squirrels here, they are normally up in the trees.. well if you are galivanting behind in the forest ..  ya might be getting some lead your way.
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Re: Does a poacher **** in the woods?
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2010, 11:34:43 AM »
I've found myself in situations, in my life, where I felt that I could take someone's life.  Usually it was after being maligned or burglarized.  Time makes one feel differently than you feel when the anger is hot.

Personal defense is a good reason to end someone's life.   I've been known to go out in the front yard and shoot the shotgun up into the air and yell like a madman in the middle of the night.  You see, we have poachers and we have transients who feel that I have no property rights.   Just the other day, coming home from visiting friends on Thanksgiving, we noticed that someone had put reflective thumbtacks in the trees next to a game trail in front of the house. My anger boiled.

I'd sure like to catch these folks and tell them that they are trespassing, but I don't think that I could actually shoot one of them.  If I accidentally hit one, it would bother me.

while I understand your ire, I also think that you would be one to carry the guilt for the rest of your life, if you harmed someone.  Some people actually don't care.  They are the cold-blooded murderer's of the world.  The rest of us have a conscience and do care.  Living with having taken a life is a bad thing.

Shooting into a car parked on the side of the road is setting yourself up for killing someone's child asleep in the back seat.   Shooting high powered rifles in the air is putting "someone" in jeapardy for miles around you.  Even a spent bullet, dropping from straight overhead, is moving at over a hundred miles an hour when it returns to earth.

It doesn't minimize the fact that someone is trespassing, nor the helpless feeling one gets when he asks for help from the local enforcement and can't get it.   But please look beyond the moment when you have an urge to point a firearm at someone. :)
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Re: Does a poacher **** in the woods?
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2010, 11:52:17 AM »
  Lee does not live far from Zinc.  So another dead man laying in the woods would not raise to many eyebrows.  Some people really do need killing and are asking for it.  There are to many places around here giving away free food for someone to go out and poach a deer.  They are not doing it to feed their family but to just be a pain in the butt cut to normal hardworking people who have a chunck of land to enjoy.  Just south of here a few miles is well over 1/4 million acres of land they can go hunt on.
 
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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2010, 10:47:24 PM »
Shooting into a car parked on the side of the road is setting yourself up for killing someone's child asleep in the back seat.   

That's what I was thinking too.Anger,booze and a firearm don't go together too well and regrets could be life long.The lights up on the hill could have been kids.

I know a man that as a young boy,was over at a farmer's house and saw him looking with a spotting scope across the field at a camper and a couple men.It turned out the men we're shooting the farmer's cows ears with a 22 so the farmer brought out the rifle and put a few into the camper on the truck which sent the men scrambling.
I thought that was a good reaction til I thought that there could have been young kids in the camper that don't know their left hand from their right and their shed blood wouldn't be just.

Why didn't the farmer grab his gun and go face the men?As it was,by firing from his house,he exposed his own kids to a possible barrage if the men returned fire.
This same wingnut chased his son's girlfriend(about 16) off the property one night with bullets wizzing over her head.
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Re: Does a poacher **** in the woods?
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2010, 10:57:37 PM »
The way I see it, if you can see the light, then there is a return path for the bullets. It would have haunted you the rest of your life if a bullet made it though those woods and extinguished that light.
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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2010, 07:56:34 AM »
Good post fishpharmer -  You are right.  These things need to be solved without the threat of personal harm.  I realize that we all have grown up under different subcultures.  I don't question that some would solve this with a gun in their hand and a shouting, or shooting, confrontation.  It's your right to do it that way, if you choose.  Please take a breath and consider the risk you are fostering for the poachers, innocent bystanders, and, even more importantly, yourself and your family.  It's just not worth the bravado, IMHO.  doctorb
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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2010, 08:01:35 AM »
Yep, they are like words and I was speaking load and clear.

that is hilarious

i made real good friends with the local wardens they do a good job of making people think twice about illegal hunting activities. They love to catch poachers and they are smart enough to do it too :D

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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2010, 08:10:31 AM »


trying to shoot and kill a person because they are out poaching deer is going to far :o i'm really surprised that someone would even suggest that, now letting them know you have a gun and know how to use that is a different story I am sure if someone was tresspasing and you were to just start shooting they wouldn't stick around very long.

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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2010, 09:11:20 AM »
not so much that they are poaching deer, i really wish they could gather up several a day as far as im concerned. its really more of an issue with the type of people around here who feel compelled to trespass and do illegal things. first is it simple deer hunting on someone elses property without permission, when that goes well, next spring you some green stuff growing in some well hidden spots that you are going to have to explain to the athorities. then lastly the really nice neighbors start setting up the mobile meth labs so no one can find them.
it has gotten to where i dont feel comfortable letting my kids ride on the property alone or even walk over to their grandparents house which is less than a 1/4 mile away. we have so many people in this world today that think the world owes them a living that at least around here the way of life is in a downward spiral.
 where do you feel comfortable in this world? how close to your children or grandchildren would you want this type of activity. yeah i could look away and i could turn a blind eye to the goings on around me. but when it effects my family in a few years down the road i would have a tougher time living with that than i would if some dope dealer caught a chunk of lead at my hands.

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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2010, 09:17:19 AM »
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Interesting.  Our DNR police have been absorbed into the State Police.  They cops are not interested in this crime.  By the time they arrive, there's nothing to see, so they don't really respond unless there's an escalating problem.  Maryland does not have the DNR resources to enforce our hunting laws, and all the poachers know it.  That's why property owners have tried, on an increasing basis, to take matters into their own hands.  When they do....you get this thread's controversies.

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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2010, 12:19:46 PM »
You know folks, I did what I did. I'm glad it didn't have a dire ending, but I ain't gonna back down from it either. I fully expected the sherrif to haul me away and was quite surprised when they didn't even bother to come up to the house.
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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2010, 01:27:38 PM »
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First of all, I want you to know that I do not want you , or anyone else here, to think it's my place to be in judgment of you.  I have wanted to castrate the poachers that have repeatedly come on my land, or traversed my land, to hunt illegally.  Reading the posts again, some would handle it in much the same way you did, others would not.  It is a great topic, in my view, because it has so many levels of personal decision, with a wide spectrum of responses from people in similar and quite different situations.  I just wish I had a hot tub overlooking my property so that I could share it with my wife and a glass of wine too.  Best to you.  doctorb
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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2010, 08:39:41 PM »
All is good. :D
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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2010, 08:06:28 AM »
A few years ago I heard coyotes south of the house after dark and walked out there with the Mini-14 for a look see.  No coyotes but just as I turned around to head back a couple carloads of what sounded like teenagers stopped out on the road, got out slammed doors and started hooting, hollering and having a good time.  I emptied the ten round mag in the opposite direction of them and listened.  Cars doors slammed and tires squealed as they made their getaway  ;D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D  I about fell down I was laughing so hard  ;D 8) :D :D :D
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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2010, 09:07:15 AM »
A few years ago I heard coyotes south of the house after dark and walked out there with the Mini-14 for a look see.  No coyotes but just as I turned around to head back a couple carloads of what sounded like teenagers stopped out on the road, got out slammed doors and started hooting, hollering and having a good time.  I emptied the ten round mag in the opposite direction of them and listened.  Cars doors slammed and tires squealed as they made their getaway  ;D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D  I about fell down I was laughing so hard  ;D 8) :D :D :D

That is what I carry in the truck out when I am out at the farm, a mini14 ranch rifle,  it has a collapsible stock and fits in a small case along with 3-30 rd mags of good quaility factory hunting ammo. Coyotes are a problem here. I put a bipod on it and it with the leupold scope it shoots nice :)
The way i see it is there are a couple issues in this thread. Poaching can be a problem i have 100+ acres of prime hunting/farm land that anybody in there right mind would love to be able to hunt on, and would be easy (potentially :D) to trespass on because 2 different dead end roads come in to it and I am an absentee owner no one lives there, and it borders a river & state owned land. I've never let anyone hunt on it except for 1 year and they bagged a 450# bear, this year there is a huge buck running along a ridge right next to my barn, the 2nd night of gun deer dear season here he came and made the biggest rubs on trees I have seen in probably 20 years and the reason is because I am able to make sure no body goes on there or even walks in to it all year long including hunting season. This year it was easy because there was snow on the ground for most of deer season so people are hesitant to blatantly trespass. To keep trespassers and away some of the things I have done are put gates up on all the entrances to my property. That eliminates all the people who just drive down every road they find and there are a lot of those. Keeps people off the farm fields too. Another thing is like I mentioned I know the game wardens. Twice during deer season when I was out at the property I saw the wardens drive down the road checking hunters and they always want to know about any illegal activity in regards to trespass, they enforce that here, or game law violations. They handle all of that no problem. All of the private property owners around there now watch out for that type of stuff and the amount of it that happens has really decreased poaching a deer here is expensive if caught.
Now for other illegal activities we have that here also, now we do for sure. My home is located in a large area of national forest that has now in the last 2ple years become popular for large marijuana grow operations. Apparently it is easier and more$$ to ship illegal people up here to grow the stuff rather than transport it,, I know of several bear hunters who have found the stuff and just backed out of there and alerted authorities. These were large enough operations that I am certain the people would have been armed and dangerous. I'd let the authorities handle that stuff though if I knew it was happening that is 1st thing, my tax dollars pay them to take care of it! supposed too :D,,,  I can see the value of letting would be or actual thieves/poachers/or what have you know that you are armed and dangerous(wink wink) :D...obviously :D :D :D but I couldn't imagine myself ever wanting to shoot someone or ever risk it happening unless I or another person was threatened with immediate and serious danger  :( >:(



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« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2010, 08:46:52 AM »
I am of the belief that the more folks who know that a couple of crazy old farts who shoot guns lives down our road, the better!! Norm lets the entire area know this quite frequently! While we have never shot anyone, yet, they do need to be aware that the potential is there, and they need to respect that. One never knows what kind of creep may wander down here with none of my best interests at heart. I want them to know their lives are in danger if they step onto my land. We have a cemetery as our closest neighbor (kinda handy, eh?) and this cemetery just seems to attract bad people. Police have arrested meth heads and just plain spooky people hanging out there.

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« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2010, 11:21:19 AM »
I am of the belief that the more folks who know that a couple of crazy old farts who shoot guns lives down our road, the better!!

That's pretty much the way I have handled the situation.  I have made it a point to be seen with a .45 on my hip, and to be outside at strange hours.  Sure people think I'm wierd, but that's what I want.  People tend to be afraid to mess with wierd folks. ;D  It doesn't hurt to put a couple of rounds into a tree stump occasionally, either, most especially at night.  The neighbors all know what I'm doing, so it doesn't alarm them, but it does alarm the dipsticks that like to make drug deals at the bottom of the hill.  A Q-beam on them seems disturbing to them as well.  There's all sorts of ways to scare them off without actually firing in their direction.
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« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2010, 03:31:15 PM »
Tresspassers are discouraged by gunfire......my place is at the end of a dead end 1/2 mile gravel road...any late night travelers will be greeted with 20 gauge...just the sound in this holler reverberates like a howitzer....I learned the hard way after being broken in back in 80'.....I help lost hikers/hunters...but draw lines when needed....old TR Roosevelt said best.."speak softly, but carry a big stick"..or shotgun...happy holidays fellow woodsmen :)

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« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2010, 04:20:33 PM »
Lost hunters/hikers are not trespassers?  At what point do you recognize which is which, and when the big gun comes out?   ::)
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« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2010, 06:56:58 PM »
We shoot often on our property and my son brings his buddies over to shoot also.I figure it as a deterrent to undesirables. Like Dang I walk around with my Glock on my belt.
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Re: Does a poacher **** in the woods?
« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2010, 11:35:29 AM »
i have a turkish 98 mauser, 8mm. and to say it is loud is an understatement. on a clear cold nite you can hear it rolling like thunder thru the area. even stops the yotes from howling.

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« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2010, 10:05:11 PM »
Lost folks generally just want to find their way out.....have no malice/intent.....as stated prior, some would take advantage of a situation....so no, you don't need to be a wild eyed outlaw yourself....just a good judge of character...and now for a literary suggestion...the book "Trail Safe...Averting Threatening Human Behavior in the Outdoors"..by Michael Bane....he covers a lot of situations...most of all just use some common sense....check it out

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Re: Does a poacher **** in the woods?
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2010, 10:34:22 PM »
Forget no trespassing signs. I know of another sign that works much better. It reads " if I find you here tonight they will find you here in the morning" Saw it in a junk yard once. I hate to say it but it is only going to get worse with the hand slapping judges out there. The day will come when we have to take the law in our own hands or submit to thieves and poachers.

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Re: Does a poacher **** in the woods?
« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2010, 08:48:19 AM »
A small sign a couple hundred feet inside the gate reads
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If you are reading this be aware that;
You have set off an alarm.
Your picture has been taken.
You are in range.
Just cause your head's pointed, don't mean you are sharp.

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Re: Does a poacher **** in the woods?
« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2010, 08:59:22 AM »
Well this Post Took Off a Bit, So Here's My Slant and Personal Experience (don't need a reply, it's all free to anybody).

I nearly shot a man when I was 14... all by dumb accident. We had a little shooting area that was right behind our house that was up against the hill side. My dad had shot there for years and we had lot's of fun and right out the back door of our farm house.

It was on a Saturday and I had set cans up on fence post's that were up against the hill. I was hitting them with my 22 rifle. I had a 2 boxes of 22 shells and having lot's of fun hitting the cans. I had been shooting for about a 3/4 of an hour and saw Mr. Binkley come driving up in his car. He was pretty mad and asked it I knew what I was doing ?  I said, ya, just shooting some cans. Mr. Binkley said, I can see that and the bullets are hiting in the tree's by my cottage.  I was shook.. when he told me this; I told him that I had No Idea that this was happening. He left in a huff and I thought about everything and how I could have killed or injured someone.  The 22 bullets had the perfect arc to fly over this little hill and come down at his cottage 1/2 mile away. I remember that it say's, range one mile on the 22 shells. This was a Lesson I Never Forgot ! ! !

Regarding the Poacher Issue, I just had my garage broke into and thousand's of dollars of tools taken in PA.  I'm very angry and if I was there at the time, my gun would have come out to defend what is mine. I believe that if you come in my house and building's... you are in a high risk area to your welfare (because you threaten my life).

Returning fire to the area that is suspected to have poacher's in it... is another thing. Someone said, that once the word or the bullet comes out, it's too late to pull it back, I buy that 100%. Killing or Injuring someone by random fire is Not a Good Thing to live with and would haunt you to the end of your life. Taking someone's life and seeing the end result's of death is Not a Good Thing. Trust Me, Killing or causing Serious Injury to Someone is Your Last Day of Life (except in personal defense).... the Good Life that You (once) Enjoyed is Over (forever) !  

Once You've Crossed this (taken life) Bridge, it's like digging a hole and climbing in, you'll (most people) live a living hell !  Some folks here on the FF have taken life and pulled the trigger or directed guns or rocket's to kill and this was your (military) mission. However, after time has gone by... it's still never quite right and everyone has their own personal demon's inside & haunting memories.... it's all part of killing guilt and much more.    

I need no reply, just sharing information for anyone to use. TV & Movie's Glamorize it, most that have (killing)... Despise It !

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