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Best battery
« on: January 24, 2011, 07:58:57 AM »
I need to purchase a new battery for my super hydraulic, Wood-mizer wants $186.00 plus shipping. In your experience what is the best battery to use?

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Re: Best battery
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2011, 08:05:16 AM »
I've had two Carquests (forget who makes them) and no complaints.   Store is nearby, no shipping charge, and got rid of the old battery at the same time.  Also can spend any savings while you're there in the  store.

ps.   These batteries were the same specifications of the wood-mizer battery, Carquest 31HDP30, $163 incl tax 2/5/2009
This is a Deka battery.   Mine is a 42Hp diesel, LT40super.
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Re: Best battery
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2011, 08:18:20 AM »
Dont cheap out when buying a battery.

The more reserve you have the better your hydraulics work.

I have found that anything over 1000 CCA (cold cranking amps, how they rate batteries) works best.

Be sure you take your old one to compare for size. Some of them batteries are bigger and taller and will not fit in the box.

If they are too tall, when you put the lid on you could short across the battery posts.

You may also want to check you altenator at the same time.
Sawdust has a sneaky way of creeping into the air cooling holes and messing with the brushes.

I used compressed air to blow out the altenator every day. Kept it running cool. As we all know, heat is the number one enemy to all electrical components.


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Re: Best battery
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2011, 08:20:30 AM »
Auto Zone Duralast for me.  Very good service and warranty.
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Re: Best battery
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2011, 09:03:29 AM »
not sure of the brand, but i have one of those 12 volt batteries off of a wheel chair, or maybe one of those scooters. anyway it fits in the space on my norwood and its a gel cell, no maintenence type. i have left my key on twice since i installed this battery and drained it. just a simple recharge was all it took. this was intalled in 04 when the mill was new. havent messed with it other than that.

people with the scooters or wheelchairs change those batteries out every year or so. and you can usually get one cheep once you find the source. generally there is nothing wrong with them.

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Re: Best battery
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2011, 09:10:34 AM »
I replaced the battery in my LT40HDG24 last spring.

The first thing I did was measure the battery box and then go to Walmart and look for the battery with the highest CCA, and would still fit inside the battery box.

As far as I'm concerned, get the biggest one that will fit in the box and has the highest CCA.
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Re: Best battery
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2011, 08:22:22 PM »
Hello,
Battery specs for a LT40HDD42 super is
Group 31
1131XPMF  Deka, if you dont have a Deka battery store close others may work. Less expensive is not always the best.
1000 Cranking performance
185 Reserve Cap
52 lb
13"
6 3/4"
9 1/2"
Wood-Mizer does not ship battery. We may have it in stock here at PA. We are a Deka Dealer, most customers purchase local if needed.
Less cap batterys do not last very long and may make the hydraulic pump motors fail prematurly.
Hope this helps.
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Re: Best battery
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2011, 08:28:53 PM »
When chasing an issue on our new mill, we were told to replace the battery. I think that we ended up with a CarQuest, which was the same Deka battery as WM specs for our mill.
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Re: Best battery
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2011, 09:25:23 PM »
I have been changing out my batteries on every thing as needed with Optima batteries .  I use red tops in the smaller gas burners and yellow tops in the diesels.   They are the only batteries that can take the pounding of rough and tumble farm life . I have one set that is on 15 years of service. Purchased them for my Diamond T pickup and have been buying them ever since.
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Re: Best battery
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2011, 11:54:27 PM »
I've been considering an Optima battery for my dump trailer. Thanks for your input and experience Don.  Now I'll have to start hunting for place that sells them cheap.

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Re: Best battery
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2011, 12:28:47 AM »
I use Deep cycle marine battery first one lasted 3 1/2 years 2nd one still going strong. Debarker,setworks, motor gear reduction that runs the up n down of sawhead  and the starter is the demand for it. Its a Durafast from Auto zone 160.00
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Re: Best battery
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2011, 10:02:30 AM »
One good thing about the AutoZone marine deep cycle battery is the warranty.  They have a nationwide computer system and if you are away from home and the battery gives up you can still go to an AZ and get it replaced. 
Work's fine for killing time but it's a shaky way to make a living.

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Re: Best battery
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2011, 10:36:22 AM »
We have four "BatteriesPlus" stores here in Memphis.  They have 440 stores Nation Wide.  I purchased two for my 3500 Ram @ less than half what the dealership had them for.  The ones I bought had a much higher CCA than the Mopar Label.  They also carry lawn tractor, cell phone, cordless phone, some lap top and other type batteries in store.  They rebuilt two Dewalt batteries with higher battery amp and for less than  I could buy one new battery from the box stores.
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Re: Best battery
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2011, 02:14:43 PM »
I agree with Don that Optima gel batteries are the best batteries on the market I believe. I bought the red top at Sam's Club for $30 cheaper that anyone else. Tonto.
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Re: Best battery
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2011, 03:06:01 PM »
We have four "BatteriesPlus" stores here in Memphis.  They have 440 stores Nation Wide.  I purchased two for my 3500 Ram @ less than half what the dealership had them for.  The ones I bought had a much higher CCA than the Mopar Label.  They also carry lawn tractor, cell phone, cordless phone, some lap top and other type batteries in store.  They rebuilt two Dewalt batteries with higher battery amp and for less than  I could buy one new battery from the box stores.

They must have been DanG cheap. In December I paid $237 out the door with CT tax for two Mopar batteries for my diesel.
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Re: Best battery
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2011, 09:24:08 PM »
One thing to be aware of concerning Optima batteries - if they ever drain all of the way down and stay that way for a few weeks, odd are that they won't come back.

I had a pair in an old truck, and when they were around 26 months old one of my farm hands left the lights on and they went dead.  It was a couple of weeks before I discovered it, and by then it was too late.

Their warranty was great for the first two years, and after that it stipulated something like a 50% or greater reduction in the replacement value.

I've never had that problem with a lead acid battery - just the Optima's.
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Re: Best battery
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2011, 09:37:06 PM »
You need a special charger for the gell cell batteries . Or you can hook up a regular battery that is low in series with the optima  and charge at a SLOW rate till you get a full charge.
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Re: Best battery
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2011, 05:12:14 AM »
Maybe i missed it but I looked through the Optima listings and didn't see a commercial battery equivalent to the one in my LT40 super, 1000 cca at 0 degrees and 1190 at 32 degrees.
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Re: Best battery
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2011, 05:50:24 AM »
Optima batteries are good for rock crawlers and mud boggers where there is a TON of jumping and jostling around and tipping sideways and upside down.  Other than that, there is little reason to buy them.  For one, like was said before, they are tricky to properly charge with a lot of chargers and, if not done properly, they are shot. 

One thing that you will  learn about ALL "maintenance free" batteries (like the Optima, or a number of batteries from other manufacturers) is that there is no such thing.  They are only "maintenance impossible."

The problem with deep cycle batteries is that they are designed for long slow drains from electrical appliances.  They are designed to get nearly discharged before recharging and often display a sort of charge memory.  They lose capacity quickly if not discharged and charged properly and do not last as long on a mill or vehicle like a truck.  They are not optimized for heavy quick loads such as starting a diesel engine.  Sometimes they can work okay, but that is often more of the exception than the rule.

While a lot of batteries will work, my personal favorite that I have used successfully for years (like some others on here) is the Duralast Gold batteries from AutoZone.  They are bulletproof, and, when they are not, they have the best no-questions asked warranties in the business.  (3 years free replacement and 8 or 9 years pro-rated)  I personally like the Duralast Gold Group 34DT batteries.  I use them in my diesel truck, my car, and my dump trailer and numerous other vehicles over the past twenty years or so.  Most of the sizes have 1000 cranking amps, 118(?) minutes reserve capacity, and dual terminals that make it easy to use screw in posts on the side so that you can hook the mill up to one set of terminals and use the other set for charging or jumping, or, if one set goes bad for some reason, you still have a back up set of terminals. 

Put a good battery hold down kit or strap it down good and you will not have to worry about a little jostling from pulling the mill down the trail in the woods.  Just occasionally check the water level and charge it or them (if you run two batteries for big diesel mills) and you should not have to worry about much.
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Re: Best battery
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2011, 08:55:24 AM »
Gel batteries are not "supposed" to be charged with a voltage above roughly14.1V. The alternators on the WM machines (and most others) typically charge around 14.5-14.7. This doesn't seem like much and may not be a huge detriment to the battery, but it is above what the battery MFG's of gel cells recommend. If you really want a killer battery (expensive though), look into Absorbed Glass Mat (AGM) batteries. Deka makes a 8A31DTM AGM battery that is a direct replacement but there are others on the market as well (look for group 31 size batteries). AGM batteries are safe to transport (they do not spu gases), they have a much quicker recharge time (huge advantage when considering "recharge time" is the time between hydraulic functions), they have a much better shelf life, and when taken to their knees (seriously discharged) they will come back to life dozens, perhaps hundreds of times, as opposed to flooded cells that can only do this once or twice and then their done. For those who go through batteries often, do some research on these AGM's. They rock!


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