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Re: Best battery
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2011, 09:12:14 AM »
I have experienced the same favorable results as Stephen with the Duralast Gold batteries from AutoZone.  I see no need to experiment with an "exotic" battery when these batteries perform well and are readily available.

BTW, I'm actually using a group 27 battery.  That is the size that was in the sawmill when I bought it, and 9 years later, that's what I'm still using.
 


I replaced this one with a Duralast Gold after 34 months of use.  I never realized that there was room for a group 31 battery.
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Re: Best battery
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2011, 12:07:17 PM »
Yeah, the problem with the marine battery is that it is not optimized (designed) for the sort of usage the sawmill puts it through.  That is part of the reason that it only lasted 34 months.  The other problem is that it does not carry as good of a warranty.  So, if a Duralast Gold went bad after 34 months, then you just go back in to AutoZone and pick up a brand new one for free.  Know another good thing about AutoZone?  Usually, the way that they do the warranty info on the computer, not only do you NOT need to bring back the receipt to obtain the warranty (unlike other stores), but the warranty period usually starts all over again with the new warranty battery!  That happens whenever they do the return in such a way that they give you a credit or your money back for the defective battery under warranty, then replace it with another battery and log it into the computer as if you just bought a new battery. 

Also, if you bring a battery back in from one vehicle and they process the warranty like I described above, they will allow you to transfer the warranty from one vehicle to another.  For instance, say you first bought the DG battery for an old truck that you subsequently sold or quit running.  Then, you take the good DG battery out and put it into another vehicle, then when you need to get a replacement, just give the info for the old truck along with your phone number to start with for them to look up your warranty, then give them the new vehicle information for the new warranty that starts all over again.
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Re: Best battery
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2011, 01:04:57 PM »
Magicman,
To my knowledge, all 97 and newer Supers and LT70's took a group 31 battery. The non-supers took a smaller battery. Although the dimensions can vary slightly from different MFG's, a group 31's dimensions should be roughly 13"L x 6 3/4"W x 9 1/2"H.

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Re: Best battery
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2011, 01:45:59 PM »
To my knowledge, all 97 and newer Supers and LT70's took a group 31 battery.

I know now, but the previous owner had replaced the original with a 27, and I assumed that it was correct.  The space can be seen in the above picture, so I know that the 31 will fit.

Stephen,  notice in the text below the picture, that I did replace the above battery with a Duralast Gold.

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Re: Best battery
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2011, 04:02:54 PM »
To my knowledge, all 97 and newer Supers and LT70's took a group 31 battery.

I know now, but the previous owner had replaced the original with a 27, and I assumed that it was correct.  The space can be seen in the above picture, so I know that the 31 will fit.

Stephen,  notice in the text below the picture, that I did replace the above battery with a Duralast Gold.



Yeah, MagicMan, I saw that and realized that you replaced the battery with a Duralast Gold.  My comments were just general in nature, not aimed at you particularly.  I was basically agreeing with you and think you made the best choice.
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Re: Best battery
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2011, 12:28:26 AM »
I disagree with much of what has been said about Optima batteries.  I have been using them since January 1999.  The pair I bought then is still in service.  Since then I have bought six more.  So far, I have never had an Optima battery go bad, except for the two I ruined when my truck was totaled.  How many other battery brands will last twelve years in Indiana weather, starting a diesel pickup? 

I use these batteries primarily in my Dodge diesel pickups, but when any vehicle or piece of equipment needs a battery, I pull the pair out of the Dodge and use one of the Optimas for the lower priority vehicle.  I then buy two new ones for the Dodge.  So far, I have Optimas installed in one Dodge diesel pickup (the other Dodge still has the factory batteries), an old Toyota pickup, a 66 horsepower diesel farm tractor, and a travel trailer.  Ill install these Optimas in the sawmill and the pressure washer when they need batteries, but for now the factory batteries are still good. 

Optima makes two types of batteries, starting and deep-cycle.  I buy their deep-cycle batteries exclusively, because thats what they recommended for diesel trucks when I bought the first ones.  The deep-cycle Optimas are either yellow or blue-tops, with the difference being in the type of connectors provided.  Generally, the yellow-tops have standard posts plus side connectors, while the blue-tops have standard posts plus threaded studs on top for RV or marine cables.  I have NEVER had a problem starting any engine with an Optima deep-cycle battery. 

On a couple of occasions I have completely drained the RV batteries.  They recovered completely by simply charging them.  I have never intentionally left any of my batteries completely discharged for a really long time, although I did leave the lights on in one of the trucks for about three or four days once.  Those batteries also came back after a complete charge.  Once, several years ago, I charged one of my Optimas at too high a rate.  It got warm and the vent was hissing.  That battery is still in service.  Its true that they are maintenance impossible.  You cant add water.  After twelve years of service, I havent needed to.  One more benefit: You will never get that white crud building up on your battery terminals again with Optima batteries.  (Dont ask me why; it just works that way.) 

Quinn commented that he wants to find someplace that sells them cheap.  Quinn, you wont.  These batteries are expensive to buy, but they arent expensive if you take into account how long they last.  The best price Ive seen on them has been at Sams Club.  The blue-tops sell for about $165. 

Yes, I do take care of them.  I have a top-quality charger, and I use it occasionally.  The batteries mounted in the trucks dont see the charger often, maybe once a year.  The RV and tractor batteries get charged a bit more often.  My charger supports the new desulphation technology.  I dont know if that has made a difference in battery life, but whatever Im doing seems to be working. 

The only other battery I will consider is an Odyssey.  Thats based on comments in other forums and a recommendation from my brother, an electrical engineer.  If you think Optima batteries are expensive, price a couple of Odysseys.  A group 31 Odyssey battery is about $350.  It would have to last much longer than a regular wet-cell battery to justify that cost, which is not to say that it wont. 

Optima batteries are gel cells.  Odyssey batteries are AGM.  Regular batteries are wet cells.  They are ALL lead-acid batteries. 

All in all, my experience with Optima batteries has been that they are among the best in the world and are worth the premium price they command. 

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Re: Best battery
« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2011, 06:57:45 AM »
As Marty said earlier you want a group 31 battery their whats used in ambulances and many emergency vehicles.A good rule of thumb with lead acid batteries is the heavier the better.You want to play you gotta pay. Frank C.
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Re: Best battery
« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2011, 07:30:58 AM »
No one has anything to say about Interstate batteries? I have had very good luck with them. The one in my Ford tractor lasted 5 or 6 years before being replaced this Fall.. with another Interstate.
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« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2011, 07:47:26 AM »
A little aside,before I retired I was the fire dept. mechanic for a wealthy town west of Boston.Had a $ 750.00 dollar battery tester it would flat out tell you everything about a battery condition, % of life left.The town had a recycing center to die for [not dump anymore] at least 25% of the batteries there were good just needed a good charge.I have one group 31 battery that cranks and starts a JD two cylinder diesel tractor,its hard going over the hump. Frank C.
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Re: Best battery
« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2011, 07:57:42 AM »
Also check out your local heavy duty truck store, they have group 31 batterys on sale for good prices sometimes.    Steve
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Re: Best battery
« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2011, 08:52:58 AM »
Magic Smoke is correct the glass mat battery we use on our LT70DCS mills are very durable. We tested this battery on 1 supper mill and 1 LT70. They are now over 3 years on the mill and going strong. As Magic said they are expensive and we sell them for 192.83 and we can ship these batteries.

Terrifictimbers is also correct that Carquest sell a battery and their battery is made by East Penn who make the Deka battery we use. Compare price and if the glassmat is within $50.00 of the Carquest one then I would go the glass mat.

You can not just go by the rating. You can buy a car battery with the same rating as the Deka 31 group but the plate size will not be big enough to give you any durability.
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Re: Best battery
« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2011, 04:16:31 PM »
...  A good rule of thumb with lead acid batteries is the heavier the better.  Frank C.

I agree with Frank's rule.  If a battery weighs more, it's got more lead.  As Martha would say, "That's a good thing." 

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« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2011, 05:34:33 PM »
Hay all,I see you talkin about makes of batteries.I have two harleys and both have deka batteries in them.One is 3 years old the other is two years old.Both are the gma,gel type cause as everyone knows the older harleys are the worst for it.Love them and have never had any trouble from either one.I have a pic of my hardtail in my album.Good luck on your sellecion.

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« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2011, 06:40:10 PM »
If a battery will hold up to this it has to be good 8) 8)

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« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2011, 06:56:25 PM »
    For many years the group 27 battery with 1000 cca was the most powerfull battery made. About 10 years ago the manufacturers started making them with less cca. From 1000 to 950 to 850 and now only 750 cca.

   The  group 31 and the group 31s batteries with 1000 cca is a choice you can't go wrong on today. Be certain on the cca when you buy one, because they do make them at lower than 1000cca.

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« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2011, 07:28:24 PM »
That is one hella nice scoot! Hardtail though, that bike is hard on more than just the battery.  ;D

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« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2011, 08:01:05 PM »
shhh dont tell but look under the back of the seat,Those are not just springs. :D :D :D 8)

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Re: Best battery
« Reply #38 on: February 27, 2011, 12:23:50 AM »
Many thanks to all that have contributed to this string.  Based upon the general consensus, I just bought a pair of Duralast Gold's to go in my camper.  At 89 bucks each, I was able to get a pair with an 8 year warranty for less $ that I would have spent on a single AGM type battery. 

I've bought two Carquest batteries in the past 4 years - one for my sawmill and one for the diesel pump.  The sawmill battery went bad after 14 months or so.  The diesel battery (which has had a battery minder on it since new) went bad at 4 years of age, after not having the charger plugged in for a couple of months).

The one optima that I still have is hanging in there, but I keep it on a pulse charger.  Some of the Deka's that I had also went bad after 4 years (in a small dozer). 

I had an old gel cell on a standby generator - got over 10 years out of that battery.  The replacement, an high end Delco, died after 4 years (also on a pulse charger). 

Sometimes it's hard to figure out which one is the best compromise between cost and longevity.
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Re: Best battery
« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2011, 08:00:23 AM »
I have had the best service out of the Duralast Gold.
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