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Author Topic: LIFT PUMP ON DETRIOT  (Read 5567 times)

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Offline rick f

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Re: LIFT PUMP ON DETRIOT
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2011, 04:10:23 PM »
When you put the filters on, one of the rubber gasket's rolled a little out of place on you, they can really  be a bugger in cold weather, just my thoughts.
 

That was what happened to mine a few weeks back. Same coditions as tree farmer has.
I'll take a little more time changing filter in the future so I can avoid that again.

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Re: LIFT PUMP ON DETRIOT
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2011, 06:09:10 PM »
it didnt come in today, have to wait till mon :(
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Re: LIFT PUMP ON DETRIOT
« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2011, 07:12:34 PM »
put the new pump on, ran for ten min like new the started running bad again :( i checked all the filters and gaskets. im going to drain the fuel tank tomm, and blow out all the fuel lines
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2004 Tigercat 718
1998 Barko 225
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Re: LIFT PUMP ON DETRIOT
« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2011, 07:47:06 PM »
now sonny didnt i tell you not to buy that pump. buy a oil pressure gudage into the secondary fuel filter housing then when it dosent make 65psi you will know its time to change filters. that have steel fuel lines???? saw one once they used copper kept craking in the flare. plastic air line works good much cheaper than hydr hose

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Re: LIFT PUMP ON DETRIOT
« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2011, 07:56:41 PM »
i will check the flares for cracks
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Re: LIFT PUMP ON DETRIOT
« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2011, 08:22:20 PM »
you say it runs bad?? whats it do???

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Re: LIFT PUMP ON DETRIOT
« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2011, 08:28:29 PM »
it just doesnt have that detriot sound, like it should. when it first start it sounds like a new detriot motor, but then it looses the wide open "detriot" sound and it cuts off after about 5 min, ether wont even keep it goin when it starts to die ??? it is really confusing to me.
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Re: LIFT PUMP ON DETRIOT
« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2011, 08:59:01 PM »
go easy with the happy gas. emergancy stop on the blower closed???? how cold of weather will it usually start without happy gas??????

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Re: LIFT PUMP ON DETRIOT
« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2011, 09:14:14 PM »
the owner before me spoiled it with ether and it has to have it to start :( the emergency stop on the blower is ok.
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Re: LIFT PUMP ON DETRIOT
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2011, 09:24:35 PM »
treefarmer87, take the fuel line off the primary filer[ the line that comes from the fuel tank]

Get a fitting that you can slip a hose on and put it in there
Get about 3' of rubber hose, slip it on the fitting, put the other end in a 1 or 2 gal. jug

Start it up, if it runs good then you'll know something is wrong from there to the tank
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Re: LIFT PUMP ON DETRIOT
« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2011, 11:09:15 PM »
thanks lumberjack48 ill give that a try 2morrow :)
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2004 Tigercat 718
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Re: LIFT PUMP ON DETRIOT
« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2011, 07:33:15 PM »
I just went through a bunch of grief this past weekend thinking I had lift problems with my Clark which has a 3-53 in it. It was fluttering at high speeds. Sounded just like it was starving for fuel. I thought about some of the things posted here. First I tried to see if filters needed changing, put new filters on anyway. I thought it was the primary fuel pump and took that off, the square coupler was rounded and I replaced that and it worked good for a day. Next day at noon it is starting to flutter again. I looked at the hose that connects from the tank to the pump and there is a o ring that is sucked in kind of funny and I figure it must be sucking air. I replaced the fitting. Works well on Sunday and I thought I was all set. Monday I used it until lunch again and it started to flutter, I checked all of my connections and could not figure out why this thing was starving for fuel. I opened the fuel cap and the machine ran fine again. Get back on go to make a hitch and it starts to flutter again. I bring back to the landing empty and take the line off at the pump and try to blow back figuring that there was some obstruction in the line or tank. The fuel filter does not have a full amount of fuel in it. I can not blow back into the tank. I disconnected the line at the bottom of the tank and the fuel runs right out. I start looking at the line and it has a kink in it under the floor boards.

As best I can figure, when the line was cold it did not bend enough to restrict the fuel as it warmed up during the day the line would soften enough to collapse causing it to starve for fuel.

The extra suction was enough to ruin the coupler on the pump, suck the o-ring on the connection in and cause a host of other problems that all seemed to go away after the machine sat.


I hope some of my struggles might save someone else some grief.   I thought each time that I had it licked
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Re: LIFT PUMP ON DETRIOT
« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2011, 08:16:44 PM »
the flares were clogged full of gunk and trash! im glad i found the problem, i would have never figured it out if it wasnt for you guys though. thank you so much for all of your tips and thoughts :) it runs like a new motor now.
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1974 Ford L 9000 Self Loader
2004 Tigercat 718
1998 Barko 225
1992 Treefarmer c6f
1994 John Deere 648E
FEC 1000 slasher
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Danzco Delimber
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Jonsered 2172
Jonsered 2255

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Re: LIFT PUMP ON DETRIOT
« Reply #33 on: March 02, 2011, 06:21:24 AM »
you found the problem????? you did well just needed a little push

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Re: LIFT PUMP ON DETRIOT
« Reply #34 on: March 02, 2011, 10:20:22 AM »
Good deal, i can rest now  8)
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Re: LIFT PUMP ON DETRIOT
« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2011, 08:25:35 PM »
thanks for all of your help
1990 Ford F-800
1974 Ford L 9000 Self Loader
2004 Tigercat 718
1998 Barko 225
1992 Treefarmer c6f
1994 John Deere 648E
FEC 1000 slasher
FEC 1550 slasher
Danzco Delimber
Sthil 660
Jonsered 2172
Jonsered 2255

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Re: LIFT PUMP ON DETRIOT
« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2011, 10:32:16 PM »
I worked on those things for many years and there are several things that can cause your problem.  With that being said check your fuel tank vent.  Don't laugh just check it.  Take fuel cap off and start it up and see if runs good, if it does replace the cap and see what happens.  If necessary clean the vent.  I have seen this happen in the wake of some very good mechanics.  Just one of those things people never think of.


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