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The $100,000 OoPs
« on: February 12, 2004, 12:50:22 PM »
The Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) is cutting down all the ash trees in a 10-kilometre deep swath near Chatham-Kent to stop the spread of the emerald ash borer.

Contractors mistook 70 black walnut trees on Ivison's farm for ash and chopped them down. She estimates the wood was worth more than $100,000.

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Re: The $100,000 OoPs
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2004, 01:17:07 PM »
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Re: The $100,000 OoPs
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2004, 01:32:46 PM »
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Re: The $100,000 OoPs
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2004, 02:55:18 PM »
We had one of our "forestry consultants" make a mistake similar to that one.  This happened a good 25 years ago.

He went out and bought a stand of walnut.  He then contracted a logger to go and cut the walnut for him.  The loggers got on site and couldn't find any walnut, only sassafras.  I guess he didn't know his sassafras from a hole in the ground.   :D
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2004, 06:37:45 PM »
Sounds like they got them one of them schooled young tree boys :D Here I know a man has a master logger liscense paid his 50 bucks did his little school wouldn't know a wallnut from a sweet gum . :) Been doing this off on 35 years ever get me 50 bucks going to get me one them schoolings ;D
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2004, 06:24:01 AM »
I certainly hope she can 'reach an understanding' with that logging company ???
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Re: The $100,000 OoPs
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2004, 11:53:34 AM »
I can see how it could happen.  I've been a stand of mixed Ash and Walnut in the late afternoon in the winter and after a while I couldn't tell which was which.  Having no leaves and all the twigs 40' above your head made it a challange to tell just by the shape and pattern of the branches.  The bark is very similar as well.  
That said, no ones paying me to tell the difference and I wasn't cutting them down!
Also, wouldn't the colour of the wood from the first cut tip you off that they weren't ash?

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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2004, 12:43:23 PM »
Never saw any nuts on a ash tree. Maybe thev grow diffrent thare. :D :D
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2004, 01:34:25 PM »
All the nuts were on the ground  ;D ;D
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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2004, 02:07:24 PM »
If your walnuts stay on the trees after October, then yes they do grow different up here.
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2004, 02:47:24 PM »
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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2004, 10:51:40 AM »
It sounds like they entered the landowner's property and just started cutting. Informing and checking with the landowner first might have prevented a "royal screw-up".
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Re: The $100,000 OoPs
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2004, 03:47:06 PM »
Ron:

That's what was going through my head also. Then there is also the odd contractor that may seize the oppertunity to make a buck, and know his tree species quite well.

$$ :) Well look what we got here  :) $$

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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2004, 05:33:09 PM »
In these parts most of the utility right-of-way contractors send out an experienced advance man to avoid troubles like the ones above. Any tree slated for complete removal is usually painted and numbered, and they make sure that fellow with the can of paint knows what he is doing.
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Re: The $100,000 OoPs
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2004, 06:21:17 AM »
I might be able to understand cutting one walnut tree by mistake. But that many and not be able to tell the differance between a brown ash and a black walnut when cut down :-/. If that were my place and they just started cutting without my knowing it they had better be able to duck bullets  :o

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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2004, 06:42:28 AM »
On second thought just what did you say the name of this company is? I have some real nice straight grain brown ash No no scratch that I mean Black walnut I could let go cheap ;)

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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2004, 02:00:42 PM »
I spoke with Ms Iveson and cant believe the " goings on" in her area. The complete distruction od wood lots ....oaks, walnuts, hard maples hickory and other " good trees" are being removed as well. This " fire line" is also completely destroying natural habitat and the area wildlife is being found in back yards, middle of roads and NO consideration for their habitat is being looked into. Both Ms Iveson and her brother Robert are beside themself along with neighboring landowners who are being told that IF they keep the wood they will be liable for any spred of the EAB. The Canadian gov has also " passed the buck" onto the land owner and in this case feel tey hold NO responsibility in regard to the walnut trees that were unnecessarly cut down. I still say Soylent Green should be viewed and the current methods be rethought.

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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2004, 04:50:01 PM »
You know complete Distruction of one spieces of tree to get rid of an insect is kind of backwards oldtime thinking and sounds pretty stupid. Just like the gypsy moth spraying of the forest was not the answer. Natural predators has been able to control outbreaks. Now I don't know what the laws are in Canada But it sounds to me like you need to work on cutting down some politicians not trees. If this were happening on land that belonged to someone of inportance you would see a differant outcome.

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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2004, 06:27:25 PM »
The environmental and resource damages being done seems to be more than the EAB. Evidently they didn't do an Environmental Analysis concerning their action. What's happening to all the commerical wood species other than ash without landowner's permission or compensation??
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« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2004, 06:45:03 PM »
I'd want to know a little about the spread of the insect before doing something as knee-jerk as cutting a 10 mile swath.  

The gypsy moth is a good point.  We thought that the Susquehanna river was going to be a stopping point for the moth.  It's over 1 mile wide and the moth was progressing into the wind.

The next year, it appeared on the other side of the river and continued to spread.

Also, motor homes were good vectors for the moth.  

As for natural predators, I don't know of EAB has any in this country.  For the moth, we had to develop our own.
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