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Re: Wood Splitters
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2004, 05:03:56 PM »
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you can stop the super split  all you got to do is hit the control arm down ....
 
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 I got one of them they do split fast, if you do get one make sure that no parts come loose on the ram even the smallest wear on the bolts can cause the rack and pionion to take out a tooth ...( personal experience ).then your into mula...... other then that they are a good machine keep it greased and they will split with the best....
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Re: Wood Splitters
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2004, 10:31:10 PM »
redpowerd, hear is the link for Super Split. ;)

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Looks like a very good setup but I wonder about a couple three things.   First is what will it do with say 20" green soggy Birch?   I split out my birch so it will dry and not go punky in the very wet Alaska summers, so will it do it or be a battle?   2nd is what do you do when by your self splitting that 20" green soggy Birch?   I mean it looks like you cant stand at the blade and hit the lever so the chunks would need to be picked up from the ground for the next wack and so on ???   3rd what kind of cords an hour rate can a guy get after he gets a system down on this thing?  I know it cycles faster but as a hole how fast is it?
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Re: Wood Splitters
« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2004, 06:50:52 AM »
I have a unit that I designed that can split 6' lilly pads down into kindling.   There are three splitters on one power head, a 20 hp Wisconsin propane powered engine.  One unit
runs horizontal, second runs vertical and the third (kindling spliter) runs horizontal.   All are attatched to a 3/4 ton Ford axel.  I have found a block I could not split.   8)  

 The vertical unit has a 20" lazy susan to place the blocks.   The horizontal unit has a permanent 4 way wedge as opposed to the vertrical which is a single wedge.  the kindling splitter is a box like setup similer to a cabage slicer with a box placed on top of the knives.

I now have the horizontal unit set up to split 36" logs for the Taylor hotwater furnaces, but all three units use to cycle in 5 seconds.
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Re: Wood Splitters
« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2004, 07:21:28 AM »
I had a 20 ton Speeco up til last summer, when I replaced it with a Supersplitt. It will go as fast as your hands can move, and I have to stop to take a break at times cuz the machine can work me into the ground! The opposite was true with the hydraulic unit, it was just sooooo slooow. As far as chasing pieces falling on the ground, the unit has a nice production table, so when splitting a big piece, I pop it in half, then set it at the edge of the table while I split up one half at a time. For real speed, I load up the bucket of my skidloader with rounds , raise the bucket to a comfortable level next to the splitter and rock! I have a pretty good bundled firewood contract each summer and sell a little delivered firewood all winter. I also added a Mountain Valley bundler last year and it was well worth the price of addmission in time savings. One thing I will say though.... I never was able to stick the old hydeaulic unit, no matter how nasty a crotch piece I threw at it, however, I can stick the supersplitt if I dont read the grain right.
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Re: Wood Splitters
« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2004, 04:28:32 AM »
Once again thanks for all the comments and advice. :)

A friend who purchased a Super Split last year visited with us this weekend.  They split about 100 cord last year.  This guy is 60 years old and he told me he can split a cord in about an hour if the wood is stacked right next to him.

I looked at the Timber Wolf splitters except for the smallest model they were all more expensive than the Super Split model I am looking at.  The faster cycle times and the work height of the splitter are the attractive features.

I realy enjoy generating the fire wood pile every year and help a friend or two with there winter wood.  The wife doesn't share my passion in the wood work so getting the job done quicker is a plus.  The Super Split unit is a much smaller package than most of the Hydraulic splitters I have looked at.

I considered a 3PH model but they tie up the tractor bucket for feeding the splitter or other chores.  I like to split everything I cut from 4" diameter up so it will dry faster, I save cut wood down to 1" in diameter.  If I cycle a Super Split 100 cycles per day when splitting at 4 seconds per cycle versus an 9 second cycle on the Timber Wolf I looked at that figures out to 50 more cycles or splits.  I think that is somewhere around 80 minute time saving per 100 cycles.  

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Re: Wood Splitters
« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2004, 01:40:12 PM »
Looking at cycle time is a very misleading way to buy a splitter.   You don't use the hole cycle most of the time, in or out with a hydraulic splitter.   I have had 4 splitters over the years and find the vertical is way WAY less work then lifting every chunk up off the ground to a horizontal.   With my vertical I plant my but on a round in front of it with a stout garden rake to drag it to me and go to town, little to no lifting and I can go solid all day long.   Also the hydraulics I have had would all split even cottonwood that the only other way to split is with a chain saw, they go "BANG" all at once. ;D   I like Franks lazy susan thing and may add one to my splitter this year.
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Re: Wood Splitters
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2004, 04:34:47 AM »
I have a home built unit by my wife's grandfather about 20 years ago.  It has a 5hp briggs, and a very slow cycle time.  The hydraulic piston is in great shape and is about 2 1/2 inches.  I am thinking of a rebuild including a 24hp wisconsin engine I have, and would like to size a pump and tank appropriately for faster cycle times.  Anybody know of a website for information on these selections? :P

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Re: Wood Splitters
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2004, 05:23:39 AM »
I have one of the Northern Supply 20 ton units and I agee it is slow, but so am I. I've got some 16" diameter gum that I can't split. Hydraulic oil sprays out of nearly every fitting and the ram stops.  :-/  Y'all are welcome to bring your mauls, or flywheels or whatever and we'll have a splitter's contest.  8)
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Re: Wood Splitters
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2004, 05:27:13 AM »
Captian,

You might try northern tool Note:Please read the Forestry Forum's postion on this company when they were Northern Hydraulic they carried a pretty extensive line of wood splitter components.  The one feature which makes a hydraulic splitter faster is the GPM of the pump.  More oil flow to the cylinder the faster it moves the pistion.

Most hydraulic splitters have 2-stage pumps.  The first stage of the pump moves a high volume of oil, high GPM at a low pressure.  The second stage kicks in when the pressure in the output line of the pump reaches a certain point.

The second stage of the pump produces high pressures at a low volume or GPM.  There are many components in the hydraulic circuit which can control the volume of fluid flow.  Hydraulic lines that are small diameter inside will affect flows as well as the directional control valve size, its internal ports in the spool section.

Just make sure you use a correctly sized pressure relief valve in the system, fine high pressure hydraulic streams can penetrate the skin especially your eyes. :o

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Re: Wood Splitters
« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2004, 07:38:41 AM »
AtLast,  Where'd you get your multi split wedge?
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Re: Wood Splitters
« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2004, 09:50:48 AM »
> I've got some 16" diameter gum

I had some 26 inch chunks. Finally I gave up trying to split the sweet gum by hand. I flipped the rounds up on their sides and ripped with the grain, so I was ripping with the trunk length. Went a lot faster after that. Plus, I have the only firewood that is squared on all sides :-D

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Re: Wood Splitters
« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2004, 05:39:23 PM »
I am going into my 18th year with my super split. I love this machine, I used to do 100 cords a year, in my younger less sore back days. I also rented it out on weekends to neighbors. One group split 10 tandem dumptruck loads in one day. I  upgraded the moter to a 5hp. honda with dual belts, I also raised the height 6 inches so your not so hunched over, I also added a table to the front to catch split blocks insted of having to pick up the pieces again. The little plastic knob to engage the drive is next to useless, I put a good T-handle on it to get a good grip, you have to pull up quick to engage the rack and pinion, or you will grind the gears and cause premature wear on the pinion. Yes tough wood will take a few consecutive hits to get through. The blade is very fine, much like an axe, so you are really shearing the wood not forceing it apart like a wide wedge like a hydraulic unit. You'll have to decide on the majority size and species you'll be splitting to decide. Most elms and some twisty yellow birch, can give some grief because they are so stringy grain. I find two people works the best. We park the splitter between 2 piles of wood one person feeds one  of his blocks the other clears the split pieces into the truck, then we switch positions on the next block.usually we can split 2 cords and pile it on the truck in a half hour.

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« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2004, 03:31:45 AM »
Thanks RSteiner, I picked up the Northern Catalog last night and found a formula for psi/GPM/HP that should get me in the ballpark.  Now to decide wether to rebuild the Wisconsin or buy a new engine.  

I also have to check the GPM of my current pump.

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« Reply #33 on: March 12, 2004, 06:02:00 PM »
Captain, go to this link, click on "Free Calculators" and you will find some great things at your fingertips. ;)   They are to hydraulics what this sight is to wood.
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« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2004, 03:00:56 AM »
 I wish I had a digital camera. I begged a buddy to let me have the splitter he and his father made in the 70's during the oil embargo. This baby is powered by a 4 cyl willy's engine,2 stage forklift pump, garbage truck packer piston, 4 way split, hydraulic crane log lift, all mounted on an massive I beam. The tongue weight you don't dare even try to lift. His father worked at a shipyard at the time and is truly a work of heavy metal art. They haven't burned wood in years so they finally let me have it on the condition I would never sell it. Right now I am saving to replace all the hyd hoses. I dought it will be as efficient as a new one but I would love to try a crack at that gum.
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Re: Wood Splitters
« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2004, 09:51:58 AM »
Back when I was searching for a used mill I came accross a splitter like I had never seen before.This splitter was 3 point hitch with a driveshaft that was screw shaped. Maybe 6" diam. going down to a point.This seems like a really simple and low maintance attachment. Have any of you folks seen one of these? Or know where I can get any info.Thanks, Joe W

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« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2004, 10:44:34 AM »
JoeW. Screw splitters seemed somewhat popular 10-15 years ago, and touted as boltable to the rear wheel of a car, truck, or garden tractor. Get on your knees to split. It would screw into the block of wood, and if you keep the block from spinning around and knocking you over, they would split okay.  There was a stub (rest) that was supposed to keep the block from spinning, if the screw was started into the block near one end. If you hit into the middle, you suddenly had your hands full of a spinning block of firewood spinning wildly around.  Found on called the "Stickler" (also think one is named the "Unicorn") at:  http://www.thestickler.com/
I remember people using them that would wish there was a way to reverse the screw to get the partially split block off the screw. Apparently some species didn't split cleanly enough, which would be expected.
Button:  I had a friend with access to a splitter similar to the one you speak of, made with 4 cyl continental engine, big pump, and a huge ram from a garbage truck. The splitter wedge was a 6 way, one upright, and two wings. This meant that the wood was compressed between the wedges in the center (bad design). When I saw it demonstrated, major hyd. oil leaks and wood that looked like mush was produced. Only something to talk about. Not sure what ever happened to it.
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Re: Wood Splitters
« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2004, 05:17:50 AM »
JoeW,
I have one of the Sticlers, the screw type wood splitters that mount on the 3-point hitch.  It works pretty well in most types of wood, pretty fast and fairly comfortable as I can set it to the height I want with the 3-point and the included legs.  I've split lots of cords of wood with it.  You have to be careful with it, but then again, you want to be careful with any equipment.
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« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2004, 07:15:32 AM »
Careful with the wood screw units.   A 15 year old son of a friend had pant leg caught and ripped his lef off at the knee. :'(
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Re: Wood Splitters
« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2004, 04:32:57 AM »
I had one of those screw type splitters called the Stickler.  My folks gave it to me for a birthday present at least 25 years ago.  I used it for several years with only one close call, my fault.  The only thing I had a difficut time splitting was cut to lenght firewood, 18" long pieces.

Running the splitter on the back of the pickup left the center at least 15" off the ground.  Trying to split an 18" long piece was difficult because on end had to be on something that was not going to move or turn.  Several attemps left an out of balance propeller turning on the rear of the truck.

It worked great on 6' long wood but this ment more chainsaw work cutting it to length.  It ended up sitting in the cellar and wood shed for 15 years.  Last January I offered it to anyone who was willing to pay the postage from the TractorBynet site.

I just heard this weekend from the gentleman who took me up on the offer, the splitter is once again doing it's thing now out west. 8)

As with anything mechanical you have to be careful when using them.  The chainsaw is probably one of the most dangerous devices we use but as long as your respect level is right and you pay attention chances are you will come out okay.

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