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Re: Black bear in Missouri – black bear on my farm??
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2012, 04:21:59 PM »
If the trip sensor is just a laser beam with no detection left, right or up, down then the only hope is to bait so to get the animal to stand in the exact spot to get its picture taken.

I don't have anything to use for bait.   I may ask the produce manager at the grocery story if I could go dumpster diving.
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Re: Black bear in Missouri – black bear on my farm??
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2012, 06:49:13 PM »
I've found out that it's called "detection angle" and there is a "detection area". But I can't find what those values are on the Moultrie L50.

Farmer neighbors were just here.  Said they have the field just south of our property planted in sorghum sudan (or sudan sorghum? ). Said the deer are working overtime on it. I don't know if it's bear food or not.
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Re: Black bear in Missouri – black bear on my farm??
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2012, 03:38:29 AM »
If you see any small masses of dead leaves up in the oaks and beech, that is bear. They make a kind of nest by pawing the branch tips for the nuts. Bear sign in grain is in the form of small crop circles. They mull it down in small beds and have a tuck'n out. They seem to relish oats.
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Re: Black bear in Missouri – black bear on my farm??
« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2012, 06:24:34 AM »
This same field was in barley this spring.
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Re: Black bear in Missouri – black bear on my farm??
« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2012, 02:48:54 PM »
A funny thing happened on the way to the trail cam today.  No..  No joke.  I jumped three bucks in velvet.  There well could have been more but three is all I saw.

 

 

Here is the only picture taken by the Moultrie that I didn’t trip.  I first thought there was nothing in it.  But there is.  In the lower right is what looks to be a buck antler in velvet.  I can tell because I tripped off the camera a couple more times just moving around and testing it. This velvet antler is not in the other pictures. It wasn’t the bucks that I jumped up as the picture was taken the evening before.

 

 

On reaching the branch, I noted a rock about the size of a turkey platter that had obviously been overturned. You can see a place below it in the picture where it had been.  Lots of tracks.  Mostly deer.  But none I can make to be bear tracks.

Mary keeps a bucket in the kitchen where she discards scraps to the compost bed.  It was mostly full of cantaloupe rind and innards.  I found some outdated stuff in the refrigerator to top off the bucket.  Not much but maybe it’ll slow something down to look and smell.
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Re: Black bear in Missouri – black bear on my farm??
« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2012, 03:48:27 PM »
I called Moultrie a bit ago and talked to a nice lady who answered my questions and gave me some suggestions.

She didn't know the exact "wake up time" but figured it was around a second, maybe a little less.   That should be fast enough. 

She couldn't give me the the exact detection angle but it was pretty wide. I ask if as wide as the picture.  Not that wide but pretty wide.

She ask how high I was setting the camera. About breast high. She recommended 2-3' high.

She gave me instructions of how to reboot the camera that would reset the defaults.

I went to the camera and most of the bait I'd spread out was gone.  Apparently, few wild animals like tomatoes.   A box turtle was there chowing down.

There were two pictures.  One of me and one of nothing.

I moved the camera to a different tree and put it about 2' off the ground.
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Re: Black bear in Missouri – black bear on my farm??
« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2012, 04:46:37 PM »
Was in Walmart this morning.  Spotted a lady stocking carrots.  Asked her if I could get some discarded vegetables and or fruit to feed wildlife.  After some discussion, we figured we had to talk to the department manager.  A couple more people got involved before manager got there.   Upshot, no way to document that they gave away garbage so...  sorry,  no scraps for wildlife.

Went to a smaller local store and talked to the produce manager. Not a problem, except she didn't have anything right now.  Come back later or in the morning and she'd have some cabbage trimming.
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Re: Black bear in Missouri – black bear on my farm??
« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2012, 04:57:26 PM »
 

 

I found the bark ripped off an elm along the stream where I have the trail cam.  The tree is about 6" diameter and the marks are about 4' off the ground.   There were a few other marks around the tree - including one near the base.

 

 

I found a dead white oak about 14” on the stump that had been ripped up somewhat.  This one you can make out 5 horizontal marks that may have been made by a claw.

 

 

Here is the other side of the dead white oak tree.  There was a small amount of scat about 4’ from the base.  There could have been more under the dead sap and bark on the ground.

I’m getting discouraged with the trail cam.  Found two pictures on it.  Real likely they were tripped when I shut the door on the camera.  Two because I set it to take two pictures in succession.  I also set the reset time to 15 seconds from 30.  In any case, no pictures of anything other than the branch and the brush.    I put out more bait of fruit and vegetables.

I did a circle of the area and found two more scats and the white oak tree that had been ripped up.

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Re: Black bear in Missouri – black bear on my farm??
« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2012, 06:30:47 PM »
I hope you are armed Bibby.
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Re: Black bear in Missouri – black bear on my farm??
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2012, 07:07:50 PM »
I've been lead to understand that black bear are pretty evasive of humans and not likely to attack unless defending cubs or cornered.

I don't always pack heat on these walks but when I do, I stick a S&W 1917 45 ACP in my bib pocket. That should make a good noise. If more noise is suggested, I have a S&W 29 with 4" bbl.  Not only make more noise but singe some hair off and cause temporary blindness.
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Re: Black bear in Missouri – black bear on my farm??
« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2012, 10:27:55 AM »
I don’t know if Missouri ever lost every black bear in the state.  But the past few years they have made a comeback.   Mostly in the Ozark area, but they have spread all over the state.

A couple of years ago the gravel haulers spotted a black bear feeding from a deer feeder.   They stopped and watched it and there was more than one witness.  This spot is about 200 yards from our property line and in the same valley as I have recently found what I think is bear scat.

I have found droppings like this before in the past couple of years.  I’ve looked for other sign but not found anything conclusive.

This year has been exceptionally dry.  A drought in fact.  All the streams are dry.  The creek has a few shallow puddles. One place in many miles that has water is a spring well up in the roughest and most remote part of our farm.  It’s in this area that I’ve fund the suspicious scat.

 

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I can’t make the scat be any wild or domestic animal that I’m familiar with.  It can’t be carnivore as there is no hair, bone or other indication other than a plant eater.  It doesn’t look like horse or cow droppings.

 

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Yesterday I set out a Moultrie L50 trail cam just a little down from where the spring comes up in the steam bed.  There is a heavy used trail coming in on the right side of it.  I’ve not checked it yet.  I may tomorrow afternoon.  If I get anything it’ll most likely be a deer or coon.
wow,the only scats we come across here in the UK are rabbits and occasionaly deer,so boring here.

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Re: Black bear in Missouri – black bear on my farm??
« Reply #31 on: August 27, 2012, 12:54:19 PM »
The MDC has been doing a black bear population study across the southern Ozark counties.  If interested, contact your Private Lands CA for details; they have attractants and cage-traps and always allow the landowner to witness and photograph a trapped bear if wanted. 

We had a bear several years ago come through, saw the tracks and other sign. A bear was shot in the vicinity a couple weeks later, it was supposedly harrassing some fellow's dogs and also feeding in a garbage dump.

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Re: Black bear in Missouri – black bear on my farm??
« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2012, 01:24:29 PM »
Back in the day we had "game wardens".  I looked on the mdc website for contact information for our country's conservation agent.  Turns out, we don't have a local one.  Have to contact the region office.

Decided to see if I could get a picture of it or maybe a sighting.

Likely there has been bear around here for years. Never knew them to cause a problem.
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Re: Black bear in Missouri – black bear on my farm??
« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2012, 12:37:30 AM »
I carry a can of bear spray when picking blackberries.  Suposed to be more efective than a handgun.  I find the best berries where the bear are coming into the patch.
Now that I have a ccw permit I may also carry a handgun in addition to the spray.  Now I dont have to unload every time I get on the atv
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Re: Black bear in Missouri – black bear on my farm??
« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2012, 08:06:32 AM »
The last place I seen bear spray advertised was in Cody, Wyoming. 

Missouri Department of Conservation downplays any danger from black bears.  I've roamed these hills since I graduated from a tricycle and never felt threatened.  Biggest danger would be snake bit or falling off a bluff.

That being said, not many years back Dad was out mushroom hunting and a pack of wild dowgs ran up on him.  They acted threatening but he cussed them down and threatened them with his walking stick.

A few years back son Chris was out on the backside of the farm when a Rottweiler without collar came up on him and had all intention of attacking him.  He was packing a Marlin 1895 guide gun in 45/70. End of argument!

I carry a handgun when I think of it but never really felt I needed to.  I don't have a conceal carry permit and never really felt I needed one.
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« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2012, 09:58:29 AM »
I bought my bear spray at cabelas. My fil used pepper spray on a dog that was harassing him on his morning walk.  Never bothered him again.  My friend also got the ccw to not have to unload his handgun every time he gets in his truck trapping coon along the roads.
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« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2012, 01:22:05 PM »
Nowadays I'm more cautious of those two-legged critters surprising me back in a field or woods. Really some strange folks out there, used to I would know most folks and their kids that roamed around but not now!

A few years ago I was bass-casting along an old slough, and standing down near the waters edge, the bank was up above me maybe 8'. Suddenly I felt someone was near watching me, as I turned around and looked up there stood a fellow with his hunting knife out. I knew he had an advantage and I planned to dive in and swim for it. But in the best commanding voice I could manage I said, "did you see my brother down there". He put his knife in his pocket and went on down the path. :o


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Re: Black bear in Missouri – black bear on my farm??
« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2012, 04:26:25 PM »
I'm not being brave here, but I have walked and sighted many bears in our woods. Not a single one was ever aggressive. I never carry a gun or a knife in the woods. Nothing has tried to eat me up except the flies. ;D
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« Reply #38 on: August 29, 2012, 05:52:11 PM »
My only concern is both of us may be quietly going about our business and unexpedly meet nose to nose.  I also have been in the woods and seen bear with no problem.
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« Reply #39 on: August 29, 2012, 06:07:39 PM »
Just saw this on the wire--->

http://helenair.com/news/state-and-regional/mont-rancher-shoots-bear-that-broke-into-house/article_45dcb838-f029-579e-b1b9-3f45a5311c7a.html

  I bought a border collie from Lane years ago, their ranch is in a spectacular setting butts right up against
the front.

 A backhoe going down the road early in the morning ---SSS


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