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Offline Merles Okie

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« on: October 18, 2012, 07:52:36 PM »
Would like to say hello.  This is my first post (been lurking way too long).  I'll start with a little history about myself. I was born and raised on a large cattle and farming operation in Muskogee county Oklahoma.  Couldn't wait to get away at 18, but after way too long in Texas, I'm back where I started.  A few years ago I purchased an adjoining 80 acre creek bottom that has been untouched for the past 60 years.  I bought it because it has a mother-lode of large, mature hardwoods (walnuts).

Last year I purchased a new Timberking 1400 to use in both my woodworking endeavors and to build my wife's dream home.

Now for my dilemma and the question for you experienced woodsmen.  Because the land was abandoned for so long, I now have literally 100's of 8-12" diameter native pecans.  These trees look like utility poles.  They are 35-40' tall before the first limbs, and have very little upper story.  I need to remove most of these trees in order to access the large, mature hardwoods.

What do I do with these pecans?  I could cut them for firewood, chip them up for smoking or mill them.  If I mill, what's the best end product...structural timbers, framing lumber?  I'd appreciate your suggestions and input.


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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2012, 07:57:58 PM »
MO......welcome to the forum.

Have you checked in your area to see what kind of a market there is for Pecan? I believe I would do that before I just went "nut" crazy and started dropping them.
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2012, 07:59:25 PM »
Welcome to the forum,Merles.Any market for pecan logs? I prefer to sell the logs.Seems to be if it's cut into lumber,it has to be stored,covered,than have to find a buyer. Than it has to be looked over,50 boards or 2x4 later they pick out 10 and leave you to restack for the next person that wants 10.
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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2012, 08:44:39 PM »
To bad you couldn't build some type of log outbuilding with them. Take lots of pics while building your dream home! Your about to enter some of the best moments of your life.

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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2012, 08:47:44 PM »
Your about to enter some of the best moments of your life.

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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2012, 08:53:10 PM »
Firewood and market it to BBQ's and people with smokers.
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2012, 08:57:09 PM »
Firewood and market it to BBQ's and people with smokers.
that's what I was thinking as well, being that small and pecan, I wouldn't cut boards out of gem unless you are going into the wooden pretzel business.
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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2012, 10:53:58 PM »
With logs that size, most every board will be influenced by the pith, which will cause cracks and checks in any lumber that you produce.  Even if you "box the heart" where the pith is contained in a thick timber, the timber will split and check real bad.  Pecan is also not an easy wood to dry straight.  You end up with a lot of crooks and waves in the lumber that you cannot do anything about except cut them out, significantly reducing yield. 

I agree with the option to harvest the trees and mill the wood into a product that would appeal to people for cooking or BBQ restaurants that would use pecan wood as smoking wood.  You will have to do some research, but there is a lot of BBQ produced in that area of the world, and pecan is one of the best, if not the best, wood for BBQ.
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2012, 11:01:41 PM »
If you cant find a good market and ya got a whole bunch of it, cut em and build your wife's dream house. It will make 2x4 and 2x6 put them up green and you will get by ok. PC
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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2012, 11:03:14 PM »
Remember:

Pecan =  smiley_devil  :).  That is a well documented fact here. 
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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2012, 12:05:38 AM »
I guess it's either that or pulpwood. Seriously, if you can find the market for the smoker wood, that's what to do.
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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2012, 01:18:14 AM »
You might see if there is a pallet lumber cutting sawmill nearby. There is one about 3 miles from my house and hey take smaller diameter trees at tree length, they don't pay much but it would be Better than nothing.
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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2012, 03:05:56 AM »
Gday

Welcome to The Forum Mate as Sawdust Lover said your just about to enter some of the best moments of your life Mate  ;) ;D ;D 8) 8)

As  others have said firewood from the tops and slab wood and you could either do crane mat timbers or dunnage out of the larger logs just to get them out of the road  so you can get the walnut ;) ;D ;D 8)

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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2012, 07:15:45 AM »
Welcome to the forum

Another okie
Just so happens I live in Muskogee county also
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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2012, 07:54:21 AM »
Logs that size will not produce much wood for the amount of time it will take to saw it.  Sawing costs would be very high.  Firewood or smoking wood are the best options. 
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« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2012, 10:49:49 AM »
Welcome to the Forum! Don't know if this is a viable option but since you are building your dream home, you ever thought about split rail fencing with the pecans? I don't know how long they would last outdoors but at least you could use them on your property. Then once you get the house built, take the fencing down and chop it up for firewood. Good luck and keep us posted! Take a picture or two...cause we like pictures!
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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2012, 08:40:03 PM »
Pecan does poorly outside exposed to the elements.  Very poorly, in fact.
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« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2012, 09:32:19 PM »
Hey guys , appreciate very much your comments and input.To 1woodguy , I'm on the south end of the county- off I-40 and
Ross Road. Fin and Feather brings back fond memories, good food and remember the skating rink? Anyway back to the topic,
I have to clear these pecans to gain access also to allow my next generation of black walnuts to flourish, just looking for the
best way to utilize this resource. I was already seriously looking into marketing this pecan wood for bbq'rs I just didnt want
to miss a way to use it for lumber maybe around the farm i.e. sheds or outbuildings.Again thanks for all your input.

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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2012, 11:36:17 PM »
Pecan does have its uses. You might wish to mill up a little bit to keep for odds and ends projects where you want some good hard wood for some reason. Like tool handles, for instance. But the bulk of it is probably best utilized for firewood, smoking wood, or pulp.

WHD is right, Pecan and other hickories rot and get eaten up by bugs more quickly than many other types of wood when left around outside, or in any damp environment.
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« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2012, 11:47:24 PM »
   Maybe cut them in 10' lengths and make split rail fencing. possibly cut poles for stockade fencing. I've got  split hickory rail along one side of my garden. other that weathering they still look nice.  leave some to mature...there is a market for Pecan veneer. like Okrafarmer says, cut some of the largest trees for lumber. it's nice to have on hand.
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