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Woodmizer SimpleSet versus Accuset
« on: April 30, 2013, 09:12:08 PM »
When I sell my LT28 I'll have some money to make a few upgrades to my LT40 manual.  One thing I've been interested in is setworks, either the SimpleSet or AccuSet.  For those of you that have Accuset, I was wondering how many of its features do you use?  For those of you who have SimpleSet, are you happy with it?  Or wishing you had Accuset?

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Re: Woodmizer SimpleSet versus Accuset
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2013, 09:39:48 PM »
Woodenhead, I have the accusett II, I use the most of the functions at varing times, mostly the pattern mode, but have learned that the auto up feature in conjunction with the pattern reduces the amount of waste boards, however, this should be understood that this really only works for me before all four faces have been opened.  and mainly when cutting 2x stock.  There have been questions I have had concerning the simple set  that have yet to be answered, but I'm sure that the folks with these units have learned how to minimize waste boards.  As mentioned from previous posts, the accuset, can spoil one, but does not completely take away the need for pre planning the cut for any log.   david
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Re: Woodmizer SimpleSet versus Accuset
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2013, 09:50:33 PM »
Being able to choose would be nice.  I have the old SetWorks, but since I don't know any better, I make it work for me just fine.  I have to have a cheat sheet to give me the starting points for various thicknesses of cants and lumber.
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Re: Woodmizer SimpleSet versus Accuset
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2013, 09:54:27 PM »
I have the Accuset 2 also.  I love it! :) :)  I use the pattern mode about 80% of the time.  To me the main advantage of the Accuset 2 in pattern mode is that it indexes the head from the bed so that you are assured that the last cut will be the correct thickness.  I have not used the simple set so I can't really comment on the pros and cons of that one.  I did run my mill without setworks when I first got it and I can assure you that either option would be a tremendous improvement!
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Re: Woodmizer SimpleSet versus Accuset
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2013, 10:33:25 PM »
I have Accuset II also and use the pattern mode most of the time.  I don't think the cost of Accuset will be a wise expenditure for a manual mill.   If you had hydraulics where you could take advantage of the speed gains Accuset would be the way to go.    I can't comment on Setworks since I've never used one.
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Re: Woodmizer SimpleSet versus Accuset
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2013, 11:37:05 PM »
I have simple set works on the lt40 hydraulic I bought this month. I am new to sawing but the set works are very accurate. I use them after I get the cant squared.

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Re: Woodmizer SimpleSet versus Accuset
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2013, 06:40:48 AM »
I have never used Simple Set, cannot comment. I have used both original Accuset and Accuset 2, would not want to saw without using it. I use settings from the very first cut. As I open log I use Auto Down to desired thickness as I cut the first flitch to be edged. If I turn 180*, then go to pattern and the cant is sized to cut accurately all the way to bed. I usually set Pattern on this cut to width of finished boards. If I turn 90*, go to Auto Down to cut slab and first flitch, then Pattern for remaining two sides to get width and thickness of boards. EX; if cutting 1"X 8", I set Pattern to 1"-1"-1"-1"-1"-8". Then turn 90*, set Pattern to 1" all the way down to bed. In my opinion , I do not think Accuset would be cost effective on manual mill as others have posted.
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Re: Woodmizer SimpleSet versus Accuset
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2013, 07:00:21 AM »
Thanks for the responses.  Seems many of you are using pattern mode with Accuset 2 which uses a bed reference.  SimpleSet only references the last cut and not the bed.

In terms of not being worth it on a manual mill, that may be correct.  However, the mill won't be manual for too much longer.   ;D

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Re: Woodmizer SimpleSet versus Accuset
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2013, 08:50:46 AM »
I use just about everything, including the different languages which I show when  I encounter a customer or customer's helper who asks about the computer on my mill. Last week I turned on the decimal, and metric units for the first time to cut veneer strips for an instrument maker who wanted to talk that way.   The set to bed mode and fast height settings controlled by Accuset 2 are very nice.

You want to make sure you are pricing the upgrade including the transducer rod and have an up down motor system that can be controlled by accuset 2.


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Re: Woodmizer SimpleSet versus Accuset
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2013, 09:05:41 AM »
Being able to choose would be nice.  I have the old SetWorks, but since I don't know any better, I make it work for me just fine.  I have to have a cheat sheet to give me the starting points for various thicknesses of cants and lumber.

MM.. Care to share that cheat sheet with a novice?  :)
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Re: Woodmizer SimpleSet versus Accuset
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2013, 09:44:09 AM »
member slysam has 2 manual lt40's. one with with simple setworks and one without. He swears by it, even with hired hands running the mill. OH, both mills  have pineywoods hydraulics if that would make any difference. Sly doesn't get on here very much, I'll see if I can ring his bell.
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Re: Woodmizer SimpleSet versus Accuset
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2013, 09:56:47 AM »
MM.. Care to share that cheat sheet with a novice?
:-[  Well I thought I could until I realized that it is on an older laptop that is used for picture viewing at the Cabin.  The old word processor program would not communicate with this newer version that is on my present laptop.

What I did was establish a starting point which would let me end up with the correct thickness dog board with the various thickness lumber that I normally saw.  These starting points were determined simply by trial and error.

About three starting points for ", 1", 1 9/16, 3 5/8", 5 5/8", 7 3/8" takes care of sawing framing lumber from beetle killed Pine logs.  These figures are adjusted upwards for shrinkage when sawing green Pine logs.
 

 
The sheet is under plastic on the left of the Setworks lid and the customer's cut list is on the right.
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