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Logosol PH260 Planer Moulder feedback request
« on: April 28, 2004, 11:19:28 PM »
Just looking for feedback from someone that is running a PH260 in a commercial application. I am looking at doing flooring and mouldings with it and would like some comments on how it is. Also if you have any photos of it in action that would be great as well.
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Re: Logosol PH260 Planer Moulder feedback request
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2004, 11:47:50 PM »
Don't know anything about it pesonally but the latest issue of SAwmill and Woodlot has an article about it. LeeB
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Re: Logosol PH260 Planer Moulder feedback request
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2004, 08:02:53 AM »
Thanks Lee, any way of you copying that for me as I have no way of getting that magazine?
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Re: Logosol PH260 Planer Moulder feedback request
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2004, 10:56:35 AM »
Good piece of equipment!  I have been running v channel 5/8" tongue in groove cedar liner and it has done a superb job. The equipment comes in 2 models PH260 and PH261 the 260 is 3 phase and will require a 25amp rotary convertor if you don't have 3 phase. The Ph261 is standard 60 amp tap directly wired in and this is what I have. I have 3 phase running 30 yards from my house, but it would cost me 2000 to have it hooked up and the charge a business rate which is higher and you pay a lot more if you dont use it much. The power is not noticeable for what I do which are small runs of 1000 LF at a time. The setup takes about 20 minutes, There is a place that now makes carbide knives in arizona  that are cheaper than the logosol carbide knives. It takes some time to gt comfortable with the equipment, but once you do its easy to make crown and flooring.
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Re: Logosol PH260 Planer Moulder feedback request
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2004, 11:58:42 AM »
I've got a 261, its a nice machine and does what they say. I stopped by a company in AL that does alot of moulding at a commercial scale. They sharpen the knives in the knife holders then reinsert the knife and holder in the machine. By stopping the machine mid-cut you have a board that is partially milled. You can then adjust the fences and knives to it making subsequent setups faster.


I havn't tried it yet...

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Re: Logosol PH260 Planer Moulder feedback request
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2004, 03:39:00 PM »
I cannot get 3 phase here so its either the rotary phase converter or the 261. What about the chip extractor they sell? It runs off 3 phase as well so it may be a good idea to go with a phase converter as well unless you guys have another idea.

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Re: Logosol PH260 Planer Moulder feedback request
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2004, 04:43:21 PM »
Hey Island Milling,

Where is Denman Island? I spent some time, along time ago, on Vancouver Island. I loved that place. Want to go back and stay forever! ;D
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Re: Logosol PH260 Planer Moulder feedback request
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2004, 06:49:30 PM »
The chip extractor is a tad over priced for what you get. I would go for a 3-4 port vac system that 3-4 hp and 2100-2400 CFM under load. It needs to be direct drive and not belt driven to pull the HUGE amount of chips it produces. You WILL fill a twin 45 gallon trashbag dust collector up in 5-10 minutes!!! A cyclone system (check the bankruptcy sales) would be ideal so you couuld just dump into a bin or trailer. You dont want to have to continually dump the bags, mini cyclone or whatever..believe me. ::)
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Re: Logosol PH260 Planer Moulder feedback request
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2004, 09:56:55 PM »
Kyle is right.  You need a bit of time to become comfortable with the machine.  I have a 260  with the chip extractor on a phase converter.  Am very happy with the finish.  And set-up is OK once you've done it a few times.  A good machine but does have some points that are a bit weak - the manual!
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Re: Logosol PH260 Planer Moulder feedback request
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2004, 05:22:46 AM »
I've got 2  2hp blowers hooked up to my 261 one blowing chips straight outside the other into a bag, (I've got to change that) the bag fills up in only a few minutes. :-/ One blower catches the top cut and a side cut, the other the bottom and other side. They work fairly well on keeping the machine clean.

I have a 15 hp 3 ph blower setting in the shed, I don't have 3 ph, or a converter. (Anyone have one cheap?)  :(

Of course if I hooked it up then I'd have to buy new pipe and stuff..... another cpl thousand dollars in connectors pipe, and accessories. :o



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Re: Logosol PH260 Planer Moulder feedback request
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2004, 12:30:13 PM »
It would seem that for all the trouble of trying to get bits and pieces together and try to figure out how to set up a decent chip extractor the one the Logosol sells is (after further research) a good price. I would think that one would want to do it right if they were going into this for more than the back yard hobbiest. I looked at several other systems and they are all in the same price range.

I thank you all who gave me input on the 260. Keep it coming in ;D

Any other advice you guys/girls can come up with would be useful as well.  
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Re: Logosol PH260 Planer Moulder feedback request
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2004, 03:57:30 PM »
I use a grizzly 3HP single phase 2300 CFM output. and it does fine. The cost was 505.00 including shipping. The tubes and connectors were all under 100.00. The logosol 3 phase is 12-1400 US PLUS you better have 3 phase.The rotary phase converter will cost you 890 for a refurb to 2000 for a new one.3 phase is expensive to have if you are not running it constantly not including running the line to the shop from the pole. It costs here 1500 per segment to run the line with a minimum charge.
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Re: Logosol PH260 Planer Moulder feedback request
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2004, 06:34:46 PM »
Thanks KEdwards for the Grizzly tip. Looks as though I can go that way. There is a dealer in Bellingham so I can just skip across the border and pick one up.

Is the 260 different from the 261 other than being single phase and not 3 phase? The 3 phase has 4 hp motors, is the 261 the same??

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Re: Logosol PH260 Planer Moulder feedback request
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2004, 11:16:05 PM »
The 261 is is single phase and has the same number of motors. 3 phase has a lot more " hrumph"and the motors will last almost indefinately. I don't notice the difference because I dont run deep crown profiles. If all you are doing is running T&G flooring beadlock and wainscotting all at 3/4 to 1/2 you should be fine. Also for knives there is a new manufacturer that makes them in carbide for less than logosol. Try woodline arizona @ http://www.woodbits.com HSS(high speed stainless) cuts ok but you might want to think carbide  for long runs.
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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2004, 11:54:01 PM »
Thanks Kedwards.

My next project is to design the building to house this monster complete with a kiln that is attached so that I can have a small assembly line, green wood in one side and finished product out the other.

I am using a D&L Double cut 30TD to mill all my lumber and man is it a great machine.
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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2004, 10:49:04 PM »
What type of kiln are you thinking of building?  I put in an outdoor boiler type that burns a lot of my scraps etc.  Great way to reduce the waste piles and get almost free heat to dry more wood.  A good cycle actually.  Plan a storage area also for finished products.  People can't always pick up their wood as quick as it is run so it is nice to have a holding area.  Running 1x4 aspen T&G v-joint today.  The PH 260 performed well.  Keep track of your spacer shims ( a digital caliper is a great help) once you get the set-up right.  I use a dedicated molder book.  Makes for easy, quick change-overs in the future when you run the pattern again.  
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« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2004, 12:03:50 AM »
I was looking into a DH kiln from Nyle. What are you running for a boiler for your kiln? We need to meet up some day to compare notes.

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« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2004, 07:50:56 AM »
Hi Island:
I got my stove from Frank Kramer - Kootenay Outdoor Boiler near Nelson.  He came late Friday afternoon and we had fire in the boiler by Sunday at 2:00 PM.  Pumps, back-ups, filters etc.  Superb job.  The stove is a Global Hydronics - capable of 650,000 BTU on a steady output.  Made in Manitoba.  www.GlobalHydronics.com  I can drop you my phone number and we can have a chat.  I love exchanging info.  That's a great part of this business.  Do you know Tobe and Mikell Callahan?  They were and still are neighbours up here.  Take care.
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Re: Logosol PH260 Planer Moulder feedback request
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2004, 06:32:17 AM »
Has anyone got a good method of keeping track of the knives? ie. part number and use? I have a drawer full of the knives in the original packing to keep  them together.


The 260 is 3 phase with 4 hp motors, the 261 is single phase with 3 hp motors. I've run 6 inch SYP T&G v groove and 4 inch oak T&G flooring with good results. I also run all my sticker stock thru for 2 sided planing.


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