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Re: Sawing my first 21 foot beams.
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2013, 08:44:13 AM »
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Re: Sawing my first 21 foot beams.
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2013, 08:58:40 AM »
Great job, goes to show where this a $...there is a way. 8)
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Re: Sawing my first 21 foot beams.
« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2013, 09:06:09 AM »
I was asked a couple months ago to cut some 6" x 6" Eastern White Cedar timbers 22' long.  The customer wanted six of them at least 22'.  Finding them that long was the hard part.  My father has a cedar bush that hasn't been cut in the last 50 years so I found the six trees I needed (about 150 years old).  One of them was 9" across at 25'.  That's quite good for cedar in these parts.

From what I am reading, I think I used a slightly different method.  I cut as far as the mill would cut.  Then I stopped and backed up the head a foot or so (with wedges under the slab) and cut the slab off with a chainsaw.  This left me with a couple feet of uncut log.  Leaving that I would then rotate 180 degrees and do the same.  Then I would pull the log back, finish the last couple feet, rotate 180 degrees and finish the last couple feet.  Rotate 90 degrees and repeat the process again.  I did this so that I would always have a flat side sliding back on the deck.  Admittedly cedar is reasonably light and in this case small diameter.  I'm not sure how I would handle things if the log was larger diameter.

That is exactly how I did my 47' timbers. You can only saw 45' with the 24' extension.

 

 
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Re: Sawing my first 21 foot beams.
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2018, 04:11:36 PM »
Jobs like this are about the only time that I really like my Peterson.  30'+.
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Re: Sawing my first 21 foot beams.
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2018, 09:13:37 PM »
Iíd like to see a Peterson saw in person.
Iíll bet itís fun!
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« Reply #25 on: August 01, 2018, 09:56:35 PM »
I did some 3 x 5 - 20' and 28' pine a couple weeks ago. NEVER going to do that again without an extension. Got them done, but did not charge near enough for the job. 
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Re: Sawing my first 21 foot beams.
« Reply #26 on: August 01, 2018, 10:01:07 PM »
Everyone has a first 20' log, Good job.

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Re: Sawing my first 21 foot beams.
« Reply #27 on: August 01, 2018, 11:54:45 PM »
I'm looking for my first 60'   ;D
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Re: Sawing my first 21 foot beams.
« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2018, 01:23:03 AM »
I'll be doing five 56' beams soon.  Two 8x12 and three 8x15.
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Re: Sawing my first 21 foot beams.
« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2018, 07:37:06 AM »
 My first 60' :D


 

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Re: Sawing my first 21 foot beams.
« Reply #30 on: August 08, 2018, 11:33:35 AM »
Glad you posted that.  I didn't think it would not be quite that much pain to saw a 21' log, but I guess you have to cap the capacity somewhere when designing a machine. Needless to say I never sawed anything that long.

just a guess, it's probably designed to cut 20' lumber with some room to spare.  :)
Yes with some trim allowance.
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Re: Sawing my first 21 foot beams.
« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2018, 01:51:25 PM »
@POSTON WIDEHEAD - Instead of trying to get the 21' log through a 13' door, why didn't you move the mill outside? 

Either way, great job on gettin' 'er done! 
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Re: Sawing my first 21 foot beams.
« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2018, 06:00:36 PM »
Jobs like this are about the only time that I really like my Peterson.  30'+.

Once it's all set up it is quite amazing, I agree.  As long as the customer can remove the 30 ft 8x10!!
I've had some jobs like that.

I've also had some emails where I ask whether you can remove the 8x10 after I saw it.  No answer. 
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Re: Sawing my first 21 foot beams.
« Reply #33 on: August 08, 2018, 06:29:00 PM »
What in the world is a 60' beam used for?
You can't span that far so why such a long beam?
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« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2018, 07:42:24 PM »
In my case (56') I'm doing it for the challenge ::)  I have my ridge, 2 mid-span and 2 wall beams that run the length of my cabin, spanning 4 bays.  They are all visible when done.  I do have my plans drawn with them spliced halfway.  But, I've got some trees and a mill that should do it.  I'll start with the biggest and if the cuts go wonky, I can trim it down.  Worst case, I have to splice two for the length like the plan says.  If I can pull it off, people will look up 38' to the ridge and say, how the heck did you do that?
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Re: Sawing my first 21 foot beams.
« Reply #35 on: August 09, 2018, 12:07:48 AM »
 


That's the first 60' 12x12 across the top backside of the 2 log cribs. We made another for this near side. There were 4 cross beams mortise and tenoned in between to make a rigid flat frame to tie everything together and launch the roofs from. The beam was sized for 20' spans, which are its bearing points. There are 3 other similar length runs of beams in the barn that are scarfed. Finding a tree big enough is a small part of the problem! We 3 sided them in the woods, lightening them but leaving them strong, then did the last rip at the barn. We pushed the third rip off of one in the woods and I could have laid my arm in the rotten spot. We used it for smaller stuff but that was a bad day. All the logs below are slabbed on 2 sides, they are 20 and 30'. The short ones we did on the Lucas the longer stuff was with the Alaskan. By hopping that straight plank down the tree there is really no limit to length.


Edit, here's another shot. Both 60'ers are in up top, the straps pulling the cross beam joinery together are showing. The lower run of beams is scarfed, there is a ~20'and40' in those plates.

 


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Re: Sawing my first 21 foot beams.
« Reply #36 on: August 09, 2018, 02:23:00 AM »
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Re: Sawing my first 21 foot beams.
« Reply #37 on: August 09, 2018, 03:04:28 AM »
Great answer for what you do with a 60í.

I have to mention my first 22í pine with plenty of rails for my LT-10 went smooth and then I marveled in the length...then cut in half and put on my trailer :)

Always good to focus on the entire job when taking big logs...ha ha

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« Reply #38 on: August 09, 2018, 08:39:56 PM »

That's the first 60' 12x12 across the top backside of the 2 log cribs. We made another for this near side. There were 4 cross beams mortise and tenoned in between to make a rigid flat frame to tie everything together and launch the roofs from. The beam was sized for 20' spans, which are its bearing points. There are 3 other similar length runs of beams in the barn that are scarfed. Finding a tree big enough is a small part of the problem! We 3 sided them in the woods, lightening them but leaving them strong, then did the last rip at the barn. We pushed the third rip off of one in the woods and I could have laid my arm in the rotten spot. We used it for smaller stuff but that was a bad day. All the logs below are slabbed on 2 sides, they are 20 and 30'. The short ones we did on the Lucas the longer stuff was with the Alaskan. By hopping that straight plank down the tree there is really no limit to length.


Edit, here's another shot. Both 60'ers are in up top, the straps pulling the cross beam joinery together are showing. The lower run of beams is scarfed, there is a ~20'and40' in those plates.

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Re: Sawing my first 21 foot beams.
« Reply #39 on: August 09, 2018, 10:15:08 PM »
Sure, I was getting ready to go find it and add a pic, hang on.
Here it is;
http://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=96192.0


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