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« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2013, 05:22:12 PM »
Turkeys love acorns and we have a gozillion of them. ;D
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« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2013, 06:01:52 PM »
And hard pickings during winter in 4-6 feet of snow even if we had a lot of oak. I suppose it must be more than the oaks, because some northern tier states have turkey and plenty of snow to go along.
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« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2013, 07:26:34 PM »
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The northern turkeys survive in the winter by following behind the farmers when they spread manure. And for sure, when there is a heavy or ice covered snow pack.
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« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2013, 07:32:57 PM »
Cypress and oak in the wet land I think

planning on some pin oak. If they get pruned young, I think they could make good lumber.
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« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2013, 08:59:00 PM »
Turkeys were re introduced to Maine years ago. Took them a while to get to my place.Use to see about 20-30 in single file about 45 minutes from here. I never saw one fly until there was in my field and my dog chased them. I did not know they could fly. ::) Don't often see much more than the mid teens in a flock around here. They are around my house quite a bit.
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« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2013, 11:16:19 PM »
Cypress and oak in the wet land I think

planning on some pin oak. If they get pruned young, I think they could make good lumber.
I'd pass on the Pin Oaks for lumber.I've got some beautys here I literally can not give away.

Not a problem if you use your own stuff. That allows me to use any tree I like for lumber, furniture, etc. Allows a lot of freedom at the mill. The American timber industry is so spoiled with our abundance of fine quality species that they often won't even consider secondary or uncommon species. Their loss. This allows the independents to make the discoverys and create niche markets the big mills can't or won't supply. ;D
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« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2013, 11:18:53 PM »
Missouri is one place where the turkeys never got wiped out from unrestricted hunting. I have in the past seen flocks of 100 or more. Usually the numbers are much smaller than that, but we have a lot of them. ;D
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« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2013, 04:04:51 AM »
Definitely worth managing for. There sure are a number of efforts to keep them around. Some places work harder than others, and some efforts are probably minimal because the habitat is ideal with very little changes in 'lifestyle' required. ;D  The big thing up here has been pheasants, but they to only survive our north when fed by people. A tall weedy field in a year of little snow helps them a lot to, but can't count on too many mild winters in the north. ;D
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« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2013, 09:19:26 AM »
Usually the snow at the farm doesn't last more than a couple of weeks at a time before a thaw comes and melts it. Normally the turkeys can scratch through and get eats. Plenty of corn and beans on the ground nearby also. ;D
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« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2013, 03:58:05 PM »
There's one farmer here that is usually leaving about 200 acres of taters and grain in the ground he can't harvest. So always something to eat I suppose. ;D
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« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2013, 12:41:05 AM »
Called the guy from NRCS and got him out to the planting today. After seeing the hedged trees and the poverty threeawn, he started to see things my way. He will work some more on the plan and run it all by me before he submits it. Maybe this can work out after all. Let's hope. :)
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« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2013, 11:39:56 AM »
Good news. I got the areas needing replanting reduced and will get credit for live trees already present. Just put in my tree order to plant 5.1 acres. Had to get honeylocust from Kansas and black locust from Oklahoma, but I got them. Rest from MDC nursery.

Here is the tally:

Black walnut             75
Bur oak                  125
Northern red oak     125
Swamp white oak     125
Pecan                       25
red cedar : )            400
hackberry                 75
black locust             300
honey locust            100
red mulberry            100
elderberry                 75
redbud                     75
wild plum                 211


I'll post more pictures at planting time in April.
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« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2013, 07:58:39 PM »
What kind of spacing are you planting them on?  We've only planted loblolly under crp and done an 8x12. I guess you'll be spacing these out a little wider. I'm going to try some plum and redbud mixed with some short leaf in my field this year., mainly just piddlin.   I haven't done much hardwood planting, but I've usually done a 12x12 . It'll be neat to see how these turn out for you.

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« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2013, 11:34:17 PM »
It will be 12 X 12 except where there are already trees growing. 300/acre.
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« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2013, 04:31:57 PM »
Seems wide for hardwood. If we don't thin maple at 1000-1300 per acre they will be apple tree wood (limby).  Those are 15-25 foot tall trees. ;)
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« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2013, 05:14:59 PM »
What about some hybrid poplars on the barren spots?  I planted 1000 of them on an area that the original planting was wiped out by deer. My forester is impressed at their size. Its been maybe 17 years now and im getting close to a very small harvest. This species self limbs itself.
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« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2013, 10:03:03 PM »
Poplars meaning Populus (cottonwoods and aspens) or poplars meaning tulip poplar?

We get pretty severe drought conditions in MO. Lots of stuff that is easy in Ohio is pretty sad in MO.

Our cottonwoods only really do well in wet places.
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« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2013, 11:09:12 PM »
I acquired them from a nursery in Minn. they are not tulip poplar but some sort of cross cottonwood or aspen. Im not knowledagble of that. These had a registry number I remember of some sort from their source. If necessary I could dig out those old records to find out. These trees are very tall with not to many lateral big branches. I know they were supposed to be good on poorer soil spoil sites etc. its get really droughty here in the summer. This year was the exception. Ive planted over 30000 trees myself and know how it feels to see your hard work wilt and die and be eaten by critters. Most of my plantings are 10-18 years old now. I now just plant acorns and walnut seeds. Much easier than seedlings. Ernie
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« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2013, 11:21:15 PM »
Acorns and walnuts are a good idea. Small investment and if it works, great. CRP requires seedlings though. I would like to know more about those trees if you have a link. Thanks Ernie. ;D 8) 8) 8)
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« Reply #39 on: December 14, 2013, 11:37:20 AM »
MB: I looked through my old files and found the source: Itasca Greenhouse, just google and it should pop up.  I could not find the invoice; I do know that when I placed my order, that I was late and could only obtain 500 of the 1000 hybrids I wanted and they substituted 500 of another variety.  The ones that were substituted all died the same time all my ash died after about 10 years; the same way, they were all worm eaten under the bark in the Cambrian layer.  The other 500 have remained very healthy and are thriving.  They do require a lot of attention when young to get established just like a corn crop.  you need to make sure no grass or weeds compete with it.  I looked on their website and they are still operating and selling a hybrid poplar; although not sure if its the same one.  You would need to call them to see.  The one I have is supposed to live 80 plus years.  Hope this helps.  Ernie
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