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Belsaw Planer - worth anything?
« on: September 20, 2013, 05:14:04 PM »
So, how much is a Belsaw planer model 905 worth, assuming the blades are good or could be sharpened?  Would it be useful in planing down boards for  a cabin?  Would it hold up better than a bench top (Dewalt, etc)?  It has a monstrous 3-phase motor on it (so its old) that I would need to replace.  Any guess as to the size motor it would need? 2HP enough?
 

 
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Re: Belsaw Planer - worth anything?
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2013, 07:56:28 PM »
I've got one that I think is just like it.  Good machine.  It's planed a LOT of lumber.  Green, dry, hardwood, softwood.  The gears that run the feed works are a weak point.  Mines had an extra motor and belt added to run the feed after the gears failed.  It's a lot more machine than a lunchbox planer  ;D :)
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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2013, 03:41:49 PM »
Probably more than a 2HP motor as well, explaining the 3-phase.  I would think 5HP min...
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Re: Belsaw Planer - worth anything?
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2013, 07:32:33 PM »
See if there is a tag on the 3 phase motor. And you could see what motor it could/would convert to.

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Re: Belsaw Planer - worth anything?
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2013, 07:24:58 PM »
Well, I took a drive to go look at it today.  The motor is very big but also VERY old.  No plate stating what size it is, but wired for 3-phase.  The old paper wound wires.  I've seen old motors bigger than this that were only 2 or 3 HP.  Total machine weight I'd estimate at 250 to 300 pounds!  They were asking $250 or offer.  So I offered $100.  They countered $150 since the motor would be worth at least $50 in scrap.  I said, fine, keep the motor and I'll give you $100 - SOLD.

The drive gears are pretty much pristine - I don't see any wear on them, no chips, etc.  I could not visually inspect the blades but gave them a good feel.  All three are razor sharp and one has two nicks.  We dis-assembled and dropped the motor on an old lawnmower deck - now its electric! :D Just need a long 3-phase extension cord.  The frame was pretty easy to move but the head still had some heft to it.  Looking forward to powering it up with a 2hp motor I have laying around.  Might even use a DC motor off an industrial treadmill - they have really good torque and are variable speed.  Maybe I should put a 6hp Briggs on it and make it portable!
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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2013, 07:56:10 PM »
Good on the deal.
Look forward to seeing you get it up and running, planing some boards soon.
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2013, 10:27:19 PM »
Apparently, the 905 is very rare - no one seems to have an owner's manual!  I found a single page describing adjustments and such and a second page where you could turn it into a edge joiner (adding a table to the top).  The page says 2hp for softwoods and 3hp for hardwoods.  I'll be doing soft so I'll stick my 2hp on there and give it a go.

The next model up, 910, has the ability to add a edge cutting blade so you can rip and plane in one simple, power-fed operation!  They also show standing boards on edge to do tongue and groove - pretty scary looking!!

Corley5, do you have a manual you could scan for me?
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Re: Belsaw Planer - worth anything?
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2013, 07:28:13 AM »
I just may have one but it'll be a bit before I can search for it.  The file cabinet it would be in is inaccessible due to ongoing home renovations  ;) ;D  I'll have to take a closer look at mine too and see if it has a model # on it  :)
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2013, 08:08:38 AM »
I would have jumped all over that for $100 and been happy for years!  Good job!
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2013, 09:51:21 AM »
Shoot, I'll give you $125 for it without the motor...

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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2013, 11:27:20 AM »
Shoot, I'll give you $125 for it without the motor...

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Ummmm... smiley_confused , no :D  I think I'll keep it!  Got some cleaning to do and put some wheels on the stand so I can move the darn thing!
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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2013, 01:53:48 PM »
$150?
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Re: Belsaw Planer - worth anything?
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2013, 05:37:56 PM »
$150?

 :D :D  You'd pay that much in shipping.  This thing is HEAVY!
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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2013, 09:37:07 PM »
shipping???

I was gonna pick it up in my little gmc Sonoma...

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Re: Belsaw Planer - worth anything?
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2013, 12:24:26 AM »
So youre the rascal that beat me to it. Seen this on Crags List in Sacramento but when I called/E-mail about it they said it was gone.
From the add:
A couple car guys own this thing and we can't figure out how plain a fender or a cylinder head in it so we are selling it. If you like it or know more about it by the pictures I welcome your comments. $250.00 Offers? Trade for car stuff?

Even without the motor I think you got one hell of a deal.
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PS: I know of a saw shop in Sac that can sharpen the blades on your new/old planer. They do all my hand saws. PM me if you want their address.
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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2013, 02:10:12 AM »
BBM,

Yeah, the ad was up for a while.  He had several people interested but they shied away when they saw the 3-phase motor.  Spent the afternoon cleaning all the rust and dirt off the stand - 3/16" angle all the way around.  Trimmed off the bottom shelf to shed some weight and painted it.  Adding 5" casters so I can move it.  Tomorrow I'll clean up the planner and paint it grey
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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2013, 07:32:54 PM »
Let me know when the paint's dry and I'll swing by and pick it up.

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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2013, 05:16:32 PM »
Herb,

The paint is dry  8)

You saw the before picture above.  The stand is made from 3/16" 1-1/2" angle.  The stand and 3-phase power switch weighed in at 115 pounds  ::)  I cut this piece off the bottom of the stand and shed 32 pounds and the power switch another 15 pounds.
 

 
Then I cleaned off all the rust and gunk -
 

  

  

 

Now it looks like this:
 

  

  

 

The motor I have that I thought was 2hp is only 1hp.  It has a hard time spinning up but did a fair job on some rough redwood fence boards.  Runs pretty quiet compared to my lunch box planner.  Need to sharpen the blades and wax the tables.  I do have a 3hp 230v motor that may be good (off a compressor).  That would make it sing!

The stand I brush painted with "Aluminum" Rustoleum.  The machine I was painting with gloss grey Rustoleum but ran out.  I went to my local Ace and they wanted $6.99 for a rattle can!  So I bought their brand of "Light Grey", which was a better match to the original paint.  (the drips by the scale are original - should have sanded them out...)
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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2013, 07:38:37 PM »
LJohnsaw, my two cents worth. Make a shelf at the bottom, above the wheels, and put some weight there, so it doesn't tip over.
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« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2013, 09:56:27 AM »
that thing sure is pretty now... you did some fine work restoring it....


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