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Can anyone enlighten me on this debate with an old timer?
« on: November 10, 2013, 08:51:04 PM »
So as some of you know, I live on my family's farm in NC. We have a gentleman who is the caretaker who also lives on the property. Me being 24, and ignorant and stupid that I am, I am constantly criticized by the older gentleman(60) who always let's me know when I do things wrong. I consider the FF the largest collection of informed lumber, timber, and sawing minds on the planet. So here is the "debate" as it has occurred many times.

 Having my own band mill, I have obviously used a blot of self milled lumber for projects on the farm. On some occasions I let air dry for a month before use, and sometimes green when the time frame calls for it. Whenever I do these projects, I regularly stain or poly one face of the boards for mainly color and sheen. The said old timer, tells every time that I need to seal all 4 sides of my lumber(only a few days off the mill)to prevent the board from the weather and splitting. I admit there is some truth in this preventing checking, but the main issue here it rot/the elements prevention. To me, wood needs to breathe with the seasons to maintain a long life. Sealing them completely green, seems that the current moisture in the wood would then be locked in, and rot the lumber from the inside out. Is the old timer right??
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Re: Can anyone enlighten me on this debate with an old timer?
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2013, 09:05:33 PM »
I wouldn't seal it up completely. I think the wood is going to do what it wants anyway. It usually does.
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Re: Can anyone enlighten me on this debate with an old timer?
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2013, 09:07:56 PM »
To be brief, I think along your lines as well, now if the lumber is "air dried"  then sealing both sides makes perfect sense. If the lumber is only partial air dried, then sealing one side works. I'm not a pro, but have sawn for several, they only seal the exposed side after construction.  All of which is green SYP siding, or oak.  There's lots to learn from ole timers, and some of  the lessons learned are to pick the battles worth fighting.  You both have valid points,  david
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Re: Can anyone enlighten me on this debate with an old timer?
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2013, 09:15:13 PM »
My Dad is 87 and farms everyday….so if 60 is an 'Ol Timer, what does that make him?  say_what
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Re: Can anyone enlighten me on this debate with an old timer?
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2013, 09:20:13 PM »
The biggest problem I see with that is uneven drying. The wood would tend to cup towards the unsealed face as it is drying faster
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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2013, 09:21:58 PM »
My Dad is 87 and farms everyday….so if 60 is an 'Ol Timer, what does that make him?  say_what
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Re: Can anyone enlighten me on this debate with an old timer?
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2013, 09:33:29 PM »
In comparison to me he has nearly 40 years on me. I just wanted to hear a few opinions from those who make more than a couple cookie end tables every 5 years. I am young and have very much to learn, everyday is a constant reminder of how little I have figured out. A person though can only take so much criticism without firing back(I normally always let it go because its just not worth it) Our "not a total old timer" is retired law enforcement of 30 years and was a previous fire chief.......I don't like to categorize folks but the majority of people in uniform have ego issues. I think his 4 marriages might be proof of that, truthfully he needs prayer not more criticism on a public forum. I apologize in advance for anyone on the forum that might be or was a person in uniform; Its only a generalization. I am aware that this is an awfully odd topic of frustration, but my wife and I really don't have much of an outlet other than each other. I respect the opinions of everyone on the forum and was just looking for some confirmation I'm not a total blitherin idiot.
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Re: Can anyone enlighten me on this debate with an old timer?
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2013, 09:45:03 PM »
Hunz, we was just poking you on the age thing. There was not a soul on here offended……we're all a family here and love and help each other.
I'm 57 and turn to young whipper snappers for help all the time.  :)

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« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2013, 09:47:45 PM »
Sounds like my FIL has moved to NC.  :D
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Re: Can anyone enlighten me on this debate with an old timer?
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2013, 09:50:00 PM »
Oh, I know, I have never felt any animosity for any forum member. I may seem a little fragile after that post haha, I promise I can take a little prodding! I love everyone on here. Sawdust does something to a man,............... :o I think that common denominator somehow brings everyone to the same page
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Re: Can anyone enlighten me on this debate with an old timer?
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2013, 09:51:30 PM »
If the wood has not dried and reached equilibrium, then it needs to dry, and sealing it will retard drying, and bad things will happen.

(I turn 60 next month, so I am teetering on Old Timerism). 
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Re: Can anyone enlighten me on this debate with an old timer?
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2013, 09:52:27 PM »
Sounds like my FIL has moved to NC.  :D

Maybe he has.........what's his name  :D just kidding
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Re: Can anyone enlighten me on this debate with an old timer?
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2013, 09:55:08 PM »
You're right, let it go, it's just not worth it.
Having achieved the "ripe old age" of 60 doesn't necessarily make anyone wise.
Sealing all sides of any lumber, green, air dried, or kiln dried isn't the best idea in my experience. Wood has to breathe, and it's going to do some moving. The best you can do is learn how to have the least movement possible, and learn how to use that likely movement to your advantage.
Take a look at a piece of furniture made of lumber. Is it sealed on all sides? Likely not. The bottom, or unexposed side is left un-sealed (it may be stained, but not sealed) to allow the wood to breath.

That's been my experience, take it for what it's worth.

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Re: Can anyone enlighten me on this debate with an old timer?
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2013, 09:58:57 PM »
If the wood has not dried and reached equilibrium, then it needs to dry, and sealing it will retard drying, and bad things will happen.

(I turn 60 next month, so I am teetering on Old Timerism).

Well based on my first post, you have no need to worry about being categorized as an old timer. You still have a few months to go :D :)

OK, I take it back guys......plus, like a month ago I saw a billboard that said "60 is the new 50, but you still need to have your prostate screened annually" :D I know, one day I'll be there too!
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Re: Can anyone enlighten me on this debate with an old timer?
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2013, 10:04:20 PM »
 :D  Let's see.  I am 70 so that makes me old enough to realize that it matters very little who is right or wrong.  Do it the way you want and when it needs replacing, then just saw some more lumber. 

You have a good relationship with your wife, so keep the communications open and enjoy each other.   smiley_love  Laugh at the old fart who apparently has failed with his communication skills three times already.   laugh_at  No wonder, he probably is argumentative with everyone about nit picking things and is an unhappy person.

Now, which way is actually the best for the lumber, I have no idea.  Life is too short and my happiness is too important for me to worry about it.  And lastly, I have absolutely no hangup about age.  I am enjoying mine.   :)
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« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2013, 10:07:45 PM »
I know how you feel. My FIL can do anything better,quicker,easier and cheaper than any one else. He even tired to tell me how to sell my logs. This is coming from a guy that never had more than 4 trees on any land he owned and never owned more than 500 square feet of land. I did tell him to tell the fellow that gave him all the answers that I knew what to do.He also the type that if he don't do it,why would anyone do it. He thinks I'm crazy for trying to improve my land,be it digging a rock out or making a place easier to mow. As he told me once,I could find something better to do. He told me anyone under 60 is useless a few months back. Just trying to get me going. It goes on and on. But he treats everyone the same.
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Re: Can anyone enlighten me on this debate with an old timer?
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2013, 10:10:25 PM »
Uneven drying would be the lumber concern, if it is a concern.  It is your project and he would do well to respect that.

Keep your patience with the "old" grump.  I understand your observation about the uniform.  I have worn several uniforms and understand how it does inflate the ego.  Pride is a human weakness, not everyone succumbs to it.  It does feel good to be proud of your accomplishments and the symbolism of a uniform.  If pride gets in the way of respecting or understanding the views of others, then he has a problem (it is not the uniform).

Humans are a social animal.  Enjoy your wife and I hope your shared love lasts forever!  I treasure my wife as well.  Four marriages is a tremendous amount of heartache...I can't imagine. :embarassed:

Prayer is a kind gesture.  You are right, his need to declare you "ignorant and stupid" it is not worth a fight.  It reflects poorly on him.  You can certainly address it as no-one needs that type of commentary.  conflict.  He was a young man once....I wonder what happened?   

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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2013, 10:11:15 PM »

OK, I take it back guys......plus, like a month ago I saw a billboard that said "60 is the new 50, but you still need to have your prostate screened annually" :D I know, one day I'll be there too!

Don't worry about that prostate exam, you see this is the modern age and the exam is done electronically now that why they call it a "digital exam" ;D

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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2013, 10:14:14 PM »
I know how you feel. My FIL can do anything better,quicker,easier and cheaper than any one else. He even tired to tell me how to sell my logs. This is coming from a guy that never had more than 4 trees on any land he owned and never owned more than 500 square feet of land. I did tell him to tell the fellow that gave him all the answers that I knew what to do.He also the type that if he don't do it,why would anyone do it. He thinks I'm crazy for trying to improve my land,be it digging a rock out or making a place easier to mow. As he told me once,I could find something better to do. He told me anyone under 60 is useless a few months back. Just trying to get me going. It goes on and on. But he treats everyone the same.

Thecfarm, I am beginning to seriously think you FIL is our caretaker!

Magic man,
 I couldn't agree with you more on every thing you said. I think I speak on behalf of everyone on the forum,You are man whose advice is worth listening to.

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« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2013, 10:17:00 PM »
You made my day. Mistaking me for Magicman. But poor Magicman.  :D
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