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Offline North River Energy

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Re: looking into firewood business
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2014, 08:50:06 AM »
xalexjx,

I didn't ask my question very well. My bad.

I realize that you already have a viable logging operation, and that firewood production will supplement that work.

 I am looking for the actual calculated costs per hour to 'move' one cord of wood (standing @$12-14) to where your Built-Rite is parked.

If I understand correctly, you can put a cord on your landing and make money selling that cord @ 67.
How does that 67 break down in terms of profit/loss?

At the moment I buy log length.  At some point I might want to get involved in the harvesting, and if I do, will likely start with a small skidder (c4, c5, 230, etc).

That decision will need some numbers.


 

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Re: looking into firewood business
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2014, 11:40:55 AM »
firewood joe,
If your anywhere near kalkaska area cutting have your company contact me and maybe I can purchase 20 pulp cords.  I also have customers that purchase 10 pulp at a time and I go process it for them.  I imagine I can get 100 to 200 pulp cords to process mobile when I get a customer base built up in the area.  This has been a good posting for me.  A lot of questions and info.   

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Re: looking into firewood business
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2014, 02:56:06 PM »
They won't sell any right now. Between the pulp mill me and their use they won't take any orders till late summer. If we have it then. It's been good and we have no issues selling it. Plus we don't have a oak sale anytime soon.

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Re: looking into firewood business
« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2014, 09:25:48 PM »
usually on a good day my self and a cutter can put out between 8-16 cords on the header, depending on the size of wood, length of drag and the terrain working on.

so say i pull out 10 cords in a day

140 stumpage
120 fuel, chainsaw gas bar oil ect. (more then covers it)
180 for a contract cutter for a day
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440 operating costs for a day plus buying wood

(never mind the saw logs and veneer set aside)

where im going to make out good is when I can process right on the header because trucking is one of the biggest killers. For me to buy cord wood delivered it comes out to around 90 bucks a cord. So still to get the wood for under 50 a cord doesnt work out too bad, plus my time. Im selling it cut and split for 85 a f/c and have more orders then I can handle by myself.

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Re: looking into firewood business
« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2014, 10:21:14 PM »
When we had hardwood it was $65/cord on the landing on your truck, 100" wood. Our trucker was selling it locally for $95. On the last job we had a friend with a processor setup on the landing so he saved the trucking, we made out the same except the straight stuff could be cut 20' which saved some work.

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Re: looking into firewood business
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2014, 05:38:51 AM »
Congregations on the wood biz! We have had our built rite for some 15 yrs and is still pumping out the wood :). Best of luck!
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Re: looking into firewood business
« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2014, 09:08:45 AM »
Thanks, xalexj.
So of the 10 cord per day, do you find that you generally come out with a general ratio of sawlogs/veneer to firewood? (obviously that will vary based on site etc, but...)
Also, what do you figure your time is worth in the daily expense breakdown ( not specific, just approximate).
And, have you reached a solid number for hourly production on the Built-Rite?
(Starting with full live deck, ending in the stockpile).

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« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2014, 03:24:19 PM »
Thanks, xalexj.
So of the 10 cord per day, do you find that you generally come out with a general ratio of sawlogs/veneer to firewood? (obviously that will vary based on site etc, but...)
Also, what do you figure your time is worth in the daily expense breakdown ( not specific, just approximate).
And, have you reached a solid number for hourly production on the Built-Rite?
(Starting with full live deck, ending in the stockpile).

The lot I'm cutting now iv seen little to no saw logs or veneer, real poor qaulity stuff. Good for firewood or pulp and thats about it. I can run the skidder and hire a contract cutter for less then $450 a day. So for 10 cords minus the stumpage I end up with about 350 or so in my pocket. As for the built-rite production it is almost 100% dependent on the wood but on average the stuff im running across it I can do 4 face cord an hour bymyself very easy. With a helper to load logs and nice wood I can do that in 30-40 mins. So far so good, more wood sold then I can keep up with, working some little bugs out in the processor with small hyd leaks but nothing major. Son about 100 face cord so far and have more then that already sold
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Re: looking into firewood business
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2014, 04:56:59 PM »
I run a bundled firewood business in Indiana. We also sell cords of firewood in the winter as well. I try my best to let others do the back breaking work of cutting and splitting the logs, however they elect do it. I have found if you shop around you can find others that will wholesale you wood for darn close to what it would cost you to process it yourself in terms of equipment, fuel, labor...etc, sometimes even cheaper.
You are right there I get some great deals in the summer time some of the guys need a case of beer or carton of cigs.

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« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2014, 05:07:36 PM »
xalexjx,
I stacked 3 face cords of 16" firewood then conveyed it into my 12' dump trailer and took a picture of it.  I only sell my wood by the trailer load.  I tell customers its approximately 3 face cords give or take.  I also am able to sort through some of the punkier wood and throw it aside in a pile.  Once customers see that I try to sort some of the lesser firewood then no one seems to have a problem with my system.  I never ever handle firewood except loading it on the log deck.  I also bag firewood into mesh bags on a pallet and have been able to sell those in the late winter/early spring when people run out of wood and also sell the pallets to summertime people that have cottages/camping etc.  I can load a mesh bag onto their truck or trailer, or they can load into their vehicle.  I purchased a few of the mesh bags at the escanaba logging show a few years ago, and made a 42" by 48" frame to set on the pallet out of an old dog pen.  Once I saw the amount of bagged wood I could do I got a regular frame and more bags.  Just another wood option for customers.
I been using Dino bags but they cost so I have to keep them.

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« Reply #30 on: July 13, 2014, 08:27:55 AM »
firewood business is going good, almost to busy to do as a side business with cutting my own wood plus another full time job. Just over 100 full cords so far and the end is no wheres in site. My goal was to sell 200 face cords this year but im way past that now. Been buying 16' logs now. Just not enough time in the day, need to put someone to work for me full time.  dadgum you, Charlie! Been using the dump trailer behind my pick-up which works good but a 550 with dump bed would be much easier and make it a two person process to keep the processor going while I deliver.
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Re: looking into firewood business
« Reply #31 on: July 13, 2014, 10:17:32 AM »
xalex,
Glad to hear your so busy, I am in the same boat, I have my full time glass business so when we have a "slow day" there I run to my log site and process wood and deliver it in my dump trailer.  I am guessing at the end of the day between your age and my age you still have a lil git up and go left while my mine got up and went somewhere and I cant seem to find it ;D

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« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2014, 12:09:04 PM »
xalexjx,
before hiring a full time person, what about getting some part time help just to see if you actually need the full time help? Sometimes I have found that a few hours of help a couple of times a week is all that is needed to get back to a desired level. It will save you the headache of full-time employee issues (taxes, insurance, etc.) and get you the extra help you need.
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