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Any other pilots out there
« on: May 30, 2014, 01:18:39 AM »
Years ago I had the big idea of become a commerical pilot.  I got my PPL and had started on my IR, when I found out how much new pilots make.  That was the end of it for me.  (no way to support a family on that)  Every few years I get current and fly for a while just to keep my license, but the cost keeps me away most of the time.

Just wondering if anyone here uses a plane for forestry purposes.  Now that would be the best of both worlds.  :)
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Re: Any other pilots out there
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2014, 07:15:28 AM »
PPL here...no fancy stuff. Still work for a living and fly when I need a release from the "real world"!

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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2014, 10:38:59 AM »
There's a few of us aviators on here..Commercial and instrument rating, but never flew for hire. Wife got her private, we had a lot on the taxiway at a small private strip. Sold the plane when the kids started college, got out of aviation except for the big annual EAA fly-in up in wisconsin. Still go every year, only missed it twice in 40 years..
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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2014, 11:29:10 AM »

Just wondering if anyone here uses a plane for forestry purposes.  Now that would be the best of both worlds.  :)

Helicopter logging is the closest that I know of.  Specialized and only done when there is no other option for normal logging ops.

Have heard proposed timber cruises being accomplished with aerial mapping and fancy software but have not heard of it being actually done yet. I have my doubts however as to its efficacy.  Some one on here may know more about it. 

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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2014, 01:31:03 PM »
I had my fun flying. Rated single & multiengine land with instrument and a type rating in Convair 240, 340 and 440 aircraft. Had about 10,000 hours when I retired from the Air Force in 1980. I havent flown as a pilot since then. Not that I wouldnt like to continue to fly but now it would be with my own nickel. I could make my money go much further doing other things I like to do. I thought about flying commercial but when I saw salary, working hours and that I may not be able to live where I wanted to live, I decided I would hang up my wings.   

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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2014, 01:52:31 PM »
Sooo....from the posts so far...If'n ur name starts with "Pine" you're probably a pilot!!
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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2014, 05:12:57 PM »
Of course, the rudder pedals are only there to correct for deficiencies in the ailerons.   :)

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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2014, 05:48:19 PM »
Of course, the rudder pedals are only there to correct for deficiencies in the ailerons.   :)



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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2014, 06:22:00 PM »
Of course, the rudder pedals are only there to correct for deficiencies in the ailerons.   :)

There are/were some aircraft that if you used ailerons at high AOA you would depart controlled flight.  You flew with rudder only at high AOA or paid the price of a departed aircraft.

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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2014, 08:05:38 PM »
I had a Cherokee 140 , put 250 hrs on it. Sold it to build my house debt free. I would like a bush plane next time around. Something I can land in the pasture. Low and slow for me.
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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2014, 08:43:21 PM »
im a pile-it...I pile it here and pile it there. log piles, firewood piles, scrap metal piles, good metal piles, and so on. does that count?
It seems I am a coarse thread bolt in a world of fine threaded nuts!

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« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2014, 05:11:50 AM »
im a pile-it...I pile it here and pile it there. log piles, firewood piles, scrap metal piles, good metal piles, and so on. does that count?
as long as you keep a "log" book.
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« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2014, 09:20:15 AM »
Of course, the rudder pedals are only there to correct for deficiencies in the ailerons.   :)

There are/were some aircraft that if you used ailerons at high AOA you would depart controlled flight.  You flew with rudder only at high AOA or paid the price of a departed aircraft.

In a cessna that's how you create a spin.  But a spin's not really uncontrolled in a cessna, you have to hold the rudder in to keep it spinning.  Let off the rudder and it stops spinning nose down.
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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2014, 09:48:49 PM »
Just wondering if anyone here uses a plane for forestry purposes.  Now that would be the best of both worlds.  :)
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I spent several years logging / milling in Alaska. I would always fly to spot the next site to set up the mill. I would spot potential mill sites from the air, then check them by snowmobile, then tow the mill in on skis behind a larger snowmobile after a trail was cleared.
We would also spot tracts of standing deadwood for firewood by air.
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« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2014, 10:02:35 PM »
then tow the mill in on skis behind a larger snowmobile after a trail was cleared.

Interesting. What kind of mill? How was the lumber moved after it was sawed?
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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2014, 10:53:34 PM »
Interesting. What kind of mill? How was the lumber moved after it was sawed?
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Moving the lumber was the easy part. 12' sled behind a snowmobile. The frozen river was the best highway I have ever driven. If I was milling a good distance away, I would use two sleds. I would haul one sled at a time out to the river, then hook them together and haul "doubles" on the river. All together I could haul 4000 Lbs +.
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« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2014, 12:20:52 AM »
I mostly mechanic.... 30+ years on everything from Cubs to helicopters, but mostly round engines....but also fly. The flight end of things never did that much for me....always loved the machinery end of it. That being said, I still own a Tcraft, Bellanca Cruisair, and Super Cub project..... but typical mechanic, all are apart right now.
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« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2014, 04:14:49 PM »
Got my Private in 1994 or 95, Instrument and Commercial in 2001, got my CFI a few years after that (the oral exam and check ride for that made all the others seem like a walk in the park by comparison).  I instructed for a while, but mostly as a hobby - couldn't afford to do it full time.  I still keep the CFI renewed every 2 years, since it's a pain in the neck to get it back once you let it expire (have to go through the whole exam and check ride again). I keep it in case my kids ever get interested in learning.  (which reminds me... My CFI is due for renewal next month. Time to get moving on the online FIRC.)

My wife is a pilot, Private + Instrument. We own a Cessna 172 w/ 180 HP conversion. A great little plane, and has been fairly economical to operate (at least as aircraft go).  We haven't flown much in the past year or so... just too busy with other things.
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« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2014, 09:16:29 PM »
I was going to be a professional student pilot, when I had a Cessna 172.
My instructor Kevin Mills said he wasn't signing me off any more, go for my check ride or else.
So I went and got my private, then sold the plane in 2000.

I new a guy that own a Navion had a student pilot lic. and about 300hrs.,
I don't think he ever got his private.
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« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2014, 09:15:54 AM »
These days, it can be hard to get insurance if you are a "permanent" student pilot.  If you get too much over 100 hours, some insurance companies start to get antsy about you. They must figure there is something wrong if you can't pass the check ride.  We were renting our plane to a woman who kept running into problems:  too busy at work to fit in lessons, then when work got slow, not enough money to pay for it. When time and money finally came together, she blew out her knee, then had another medical issue.  She was up to about 120 hours.  Our agent said the underwriter would keep her on, but only because she had been on for a while and was therefore an "established customer".  If we dropped her from the policy, it was likely we'd have trouble getting her back on - or face rate increases or other requirements and restrictions
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