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Bandsaw on Lucas Rails
« on: September 12, 2014, 12:17:20 AM »
I'm milling d.fir today on the Lucas into 8 1/2 x8 1/2 x 12' then moving them to the lt-10 and sawing out nice boards.
Maybe the dehydration started setting in or i was out of songs  that I started to think about the possibility of a bandsaw that sat on the rails of the Lucas.
I'm often milling and get down to an area where I think about how nice it would be to do some slabs,then I think of the time involved in changing to the slabbing attachment and keep going.
I could use the swing mill from one end to get dimensional lumber and have a bandsaw from the other that could do slabs.
Maybe all I need to do is make a cradle for the slabbing attachment and motorise it then have the box set.


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Re: Bandsaw on Lucas Rails
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2014, 01:56:45 AM »
I don't see any real reason it couldn't work. I wonder about side forces causing the rails to wobble more then the circle blade does, but with a relatively small band saw it may not be an issue?

Height adjust would be more of a pain because you have to do it after every cut, and the Lucas needs to be wound at both ends? With the swing blade you usually take multiple boards off before you need to adjust height.

But these are just technical / operational issues, not things where you need to defy the laws of physics.

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Re: Bandsaw on Lucas Rails
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2014, 02:26:13 AM »
Why not just get a dedicated slabber?
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Re: Bandsaw on Lucas Rails
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2014, 06:08:46 AM »
Why not just get a dedicated slabber?

Probably be cheaper than trying to invent a new type of mill.
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Re: Bandsaw on Lucas Rails
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2014, 10:32:24 AM »
Yeah I should just get the slabber but 12k is out of the budget at present, no worries we'll just keep going here.
I thought with all the interesting tinkerers out there I may have got a photo or two.

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Re: Bandsaw on Lucas Rails
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2014, 12:03:10 PM »
It would be pretty easy to build and if you can scrounge parts you could probably make it for under $200.  Building a band saw is very easy and can be done in a weekend.  What took me the most time was building the carriage so it can raise and lower and the track to ride on.  Since your rails already have the up and down built in your carriage can be built right into the saw head.

You could build a bandsaw that would fit on your rails with as little as a trailer axle, an engine, two trailer wheels, 12 feet of square tubing to build the frame out of and 3 or 4 caster wheels.

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Re: Bandsaw on Lucas Rails
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2014, 04:08:28 PM »
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Building a band saw is very easy and can be done in a weekend.

either youre a very skilled fabber or you have a very "rustic" bandmill   ;)
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Re: Bandsaw on Lucas Rails
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2014, 04:29:02 PM »
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Building a band saw is very easy and can be done in a weekend.

either youre a very skilled fabber or you have a very "rustic" bandmill   ;)

Rustic would be my description but I had head of my sawmill running with about 12 hours of work over a weekend.  I actually used just the head as a resaw several times before I built the rest of the mill.  The rest of the mill; the carriage and bed took another month to build.

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Re: Bandsaw on Lucas Rails
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2014, 04:49:09 PM »
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Yeah I should just get the slabber but 12k is out of the budget at present, no worries we'll just keep going here.

Might want to double check the prices. If you already have a Lucas Mill you dont need to buy a whole new frame, just the powerhead. I think you can get the massive deepthroat slabber (DSM-23) for around $9k and that will cut over 6' wide. The smaller one that cuts 60" (DSM-18) is cheaper and will tackle the majority of your needs (and is more forgiving to use). For what youre doing, I would just get the slabbing attachment. Cut 10" thick slabs out of the logs, then saw them into lumber on your WM. I slab quite a few logs that way for guys who dont want to put a 4,000 pound log on their WM.
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Re: Bandsaw on Lucas Rails
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2014, 06:00:24 PM »
Left Coast Supplies has taken over from Baileys with the Lucas,I just went off their price online.
Logboy what do you use to lube your bar?

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Re: Bandsaw on Lucas Rails
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2014, 10:17:46 PM »
The prices they have on Left Coast are for the entire mill, not the powerhead alone. Lucas tells you to use motor oil because bar oil is too thick. A quart should last you all day.
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Re: Bandsaw on Lucas Rails
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2014, 11:04:45 PM »
Thank you for pointing that out,I just presumed it was an addition not the entire thing.

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Re: Bandsaw on Lucas Rails
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2014, 01:04:46 AM »
While the Lucas, Peterson, and other swingmills are high technology, I personally suspect we have not yet reached anything like the full potential for this type of sawmill. I can't help thinking there is a lot of creative invention yet to improve what is already a great concept.
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Re: Bandsaw on Lucas Rails
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2014, 01:23:26 AM »
I bought my slabber as just the machine since I already had the mill. Honestly though, a slabbing attachment would treat you well if you have the equipment to move the slabs. I browsed all of craigslist today and was surprised at the number of wanted ads looking for people to slab big logs.
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Re: Bandsaw on Lucas Rails
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2014, 01:25:00 AM »
While the Lucas, Peterson, and other swingmills are high technology, I personally suspect we have not yet reached anything like the full potential for this type of sawmill. I can't help thinking there is a lot of creative invention yet to improve what is already a great concept.

Like a Mahoe?
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Re: Bandsaw on Lucas Rails
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2014, 07:31:28 AM »
That Mahoe is sweet !
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Re: Bandsaw on Lucas Rails
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2014, 12:23:20 PM »
That they are.
I ran this home built version of a Mighty Might for some time. It can handle an 8' log 40' long that take two 966 to bring up from the log yard and position for milling. Its main perpose was milling beams up to 12x18 for Timber frame homes and pulling CVG out of ring shake logs. 
 

  

  

  

  

  

 
But like the other swing blade mills it can only pull one slab per log and that takes flipping the log.

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Re: Bandsaw on Lucas Rails
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2014, 12:59:20 PM »
Truly impressive Backwoods
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Re: Bandsaw on Lucas Rails
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2014, 09:34:02 PM »
While the Lucas, Peterson, and other swingmills are high technology, I personally suspect we have not yet reached anything like the full potential for this type of sawmill. I can't help thinking there is a lot of creative invention yet to improve what is already a great concept.

Take a look at the auto warrier mill.

The Auto mill is based on our standard small engine Warrior and may be upgraded later on. 3 simple upgrades converts the manual mill into a very productive Semi-automatic sawmill.

These 3 upgrades are…

1)      Single end sideways sizing. We provide two steel brackets and an aluminium (light weight) shaft which links both ends for easy 1-man/1-end actuation. This upgrade is available on all Warrior mills including the chainsaw option.

2)      Auto-flip blade swing. We provide the simple mechanical components to be able to upgrade your swing mechanism to trigger automatically against an adjustable stop which is locatable along the length of the beam. You still have to flip it at the operators end but as you push or feed the unit along the rail it will flip automatically at the other end. This upgrade is available on all small engine Warrior models. Not available on the Chainsaw mills.

3)      Remote power feed. We provide a bolt on arrangement which takes power from your main engine and transfers it into a very low maintenance multidirectional speed variable transmission. This transmission does not require regular maintenance and is a tried and proven solution. This along with our innovative remote control lever makes the mill incredibly simple with little to go wrong. This upgrade is only available with the small engine Warrior.

Trailer unit. A small trailer is also now available for all Warrior mill. This saves time on assembly/disassembly. Simply remove the base skids via 4 pins.

Put these upgrades together you have one super simple, low cost, low maintenance, ultra-portable, versatile and safer automated swing-blade sawmill. The Auto will come complete with 2 blades and 18hp Briggs V-twin engine.

 

 
 

 
Also the Gladiator is an impresive mill.
 

 
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Re: Bandsaw on Lucas Rails
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2014, 10:26:06 PM »
Truly impressive Backwoods

X2. I'd love to see all these things in action.
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