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Re: 3-53 or 4-53 detroit transplant ?
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2014, 09:06:13 AM »
FWIW, my Pettibone 501 has a 3-53 Detroit, not a thing wrong with it. It barely even leaks oil ;D However, if I was running it daily I'd be finding a 4bt to stuff under the hood. Two things drive me nuts with Detroits- the noise, and even more so, the lack of low end torque. Especially with a standard transmission. Other than that, Detroits are good. Mine's easy on fuel, and they are very durable engines. However, I've probably had more paychecks dependant on B series cummins engines than anything else, and I've never had one let me down.
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Re: 3-53 or 4-53 detroit transplant ?
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2014, 12:12:36 PM »
353 is the cheapest easiest swap. It's a great reliable fuel sipping engine. The torque is not an issue in a c4. Any more and you wil tear stuff up.loud yes. If it really bothers you and u have some extra money to spend put a turbo on it.
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Re: 3-53 or 4-53 detroit transplant ?
« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2014, 05:15:06 PM »
I think I'm leaning towards a 4bt now.....

The dorset in my girl is running for now so it may buy me some time to find a good running complete cummins or a good core to rebuild.

The old girl would be a pretty sweet little skidder with a cummins in her.
As someone else stated, I would think it would increase her resale value as well.

Turbo 4bt aught to do good on fuel and produce good power, even gains over my current dorset. Quite too...

Iv looked at hundreds of 4bt's over the last couple days and the only guaranteed runner at the lowest price was 2,900 complete.

I'm gonna walk my buddy's scrap yard this weekend and see if I can't get lucky and find one there.
That would be great as I could get it for like $100 dollars and whatever else I needed for free pretty much. He only makes me pay his cost (7-10 cents/pound ) on big stuff like motors,cars and such. He has a bunch of equipment, busses,and bread trucks in back. It's just a Matter if any of them still has their engines.

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Re: 3-53 or 4-53 detroit transplant ?
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2014, 06:40:01 PM »
UPS trucks have a cummins,standard transmission,setup find one of those and your golden !! ;D
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Re: 3-53 or 4-53 detroit transplant ?
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2014, 08:11:28 PM »
 

  here's a few in elmsford NY
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Re: 3-53 or 4-53 detroit transplant ?
« Reply #25 on: December 25, 2014, 01:19:52 AM »
I did a couple 353 transplants in an IHC pickum-up truck.
Started out with an aluminum gama goat engine that had a lot of problems. Thats the red engine in the below photos.

 

 

So that one had problems right from the get go. No more used engines for me so I locked my self in an insulated garden shed with a ton of parts one winter and built me a turbo version with all the trimmings. For noise I went with the silent gears, turbo, cast valve cover and a truck muffler. Plus I got to configure it the way I wanted like which way you put the head on so you pick which side the exhaust is on etc. etc...  ;D

Sure sounded just right.... 8)

      

You'll notice that it's reconfigured later. No end to the changes and improvements... :o
                                   
 

 

 


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Re: 3-53 or 4-53 detroit transplant ?
« Reply #26 on: December 25, 2014, 04:07:58 AM »
Love the ol' Cornbinder!!!!! I want it.......................
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Re: 3-53 or 4-53 detroit transplant ?
« Reply #27 on: December 25, 2014, 09:42:31 AM »
Bought a Clark 667 grapple skidder once with a 4-53 turbo. On the 7th twitch the crank broke and that was it for the engine.  Found a used 6BT Cummins out of a 380 Timberjack and retrofit it in the Clark.  Took a couple weeks to find all the parts and make the swap, had to fabricate new motor mounts and a few other things. It was well worth all the work when it was finished,  the Cummins has a different torque curve and it was like a whole new machine. Instead of having to floor the pedal with the 4-53 to get it moving the Cummins would start pulling just off of idle. I would recommend swapping in a 4BT,  you won't believe the differnce it'll make to your skidder.
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Re: 3-53 or 4-53 detroit transplant ?
« Reply #28 on: December 25, 2014, 03:50:39 PM »
I did a couple 353 transplants in an IHC pickum-up truck.
Started out with an aluminum gama goat engine that had a lot of problems. Thats the red engine in the below photos.

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So that one had problems right from the get go. No more used engines for me so I locked my self in an insulated garden shed with a ton of parts one winter and built me a turbo version with all the trimmings. For noise I went with the silent gears, turbo, cast valve cover and a truck muffler. Plus I got to configure it the way I wanted like which way you put the head on so you pick which side the exhaust is on etc. etc...  ;D

Sure sounded just right.... 8)

 (Image hidden from quote, click to view.)     

You'll notice that it's reconfigured later. No end to the changes and improvements... :o
                                   
 (Image hidden from quote, click to view.)

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WOW WOW WOW, That is cool. What vintage were pictures 80's?
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Re: 3-53 or 4-53 detroit transplant ?
« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2014, 05:35:34 PM »
That's a man after my own heart! Silver 353 turbo clone!
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Re: 3-53 or 4-53 detroit transplant ?
« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2014, 08:33:37 PM »
The old cornbinder has done an amazing amount of work. It's first 10 years was plowing snow for a school and then I got it. But it's been put to rest. The pictures were before digital cameras so I'll say mid to late 80's but the truck was on the road in year 2002 or there abouts.
Jeff
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